CPS1000 or CPS 2100

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CPS1000 or CPS 2100

Post by co2000 » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:11 pm

This my very first post. My friend is either going to give me a CPS1000 Or a CPS2100.I plan to do a K-mod. I want to know which one will be better. Could you guys also tell me after doing a k-mod, which gun is going to last longer, shoot farther, cause more pain :D , and overall better?-co2000

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Post by SSCBen » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:31 pm

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The CPS 1000 would be a better choice in my opinion. It holds more water in both the pressure chamber and reservoir, has a larger pump volume, is more powerful, and looks better in my opinion. The CPS 2100 however has a tracked pump. Either would be a fine candidate for the modification however. It would really come down to personal opinion.

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Post by Silence » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:37 pm

Duxburian might know which gun can provide the most power with balloons without the removal of the pressure release valve/check valve freeze. That's probably the vital statistic if you want power. I used to want the CPS 2100, but now I don't know. I think the CPS 1000 supposedly feels more powerful.

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Post by DX » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:26 am

CPS 1000 all the way. More power than a 2100 via k-mod, both light and heavy ones. The 1000 pc is a bit larger and so is the reservoir. It doesn't just feel more powerful, it is more powerful.
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Post by isoaker_com » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:34 pm

Though the CPS1000 is larger, more powerful, and a better soaker (in general), it is also older with likely more wear on the PC. Are both soakers in the same condition? If they are equal, the CPS1000 would be the better choice, but if the CPS1000 looks quite beaten while the CPS2100 looks fairly new and less-used, you might be better off going for the CPS2100. Stats-wise, the CPS1000 wins hands down, but for a particular case, the working-status of the blasters becomes a major factor that should be taken into consideration. There is a 3-4 year age difference between these soakers which may affect the working life of the PCs.

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Post by co2000 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:24 pm

I just asked my friend today about the two soakers. He said that the cps1000 has yellow marks on the tank for some reason and when you pull the trigger, you have to put some pressure or it will pull back to its original position. The gun is rarely used because it belongs to his 3rd grade brother.

EDIT:He uses the cps 2100 pretty frequently and said he pumped up 80 times once, I think check valve should have kicked in, but if he did pump 80 times wouldnt it be severly worn? He also said when he shot the two guns they were pretty equal in power.
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Post by co2000 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:18 pm

Also i need to know if the cps 1000 and 2100 are weak because i dont want something to blow, and how do you renforce a valve?

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Post by Silence » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:56 pm

80 pumps is impossible. With each pump you are pushing in an equal (actually...I'll get to that later) amount of water. There's no extra wear, as this wouldn't have happened unless the bladder exploded. There isn't even that much capacity in the reservoir.

The exception is if each pump stroke was about 1-2" in length.

Reinforcing a valve? Never heard of it, sounds confusing and pointless... Check valve freezes, the original and incorrect name for pressure release valve disabling, involve cutting out a valve that bypasses some tubing and allows extra water to flow to the reservoir if the pressure is too high. You can increase the strength of the bladder through a K-mod.

The only decent types of reinforcing are trigger and pump ones (trigger---metal strip glued on; pump for tracked pump--metal strip glued around handle pin that pulls on the pump rod; pump for nontracked pump--wooden dowel inside pump rod). You can reinforce some internals by covering the tubing with epoxy, but those aren't likely to blow out in the first place and it'll add weight.

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Post by co2000 » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:03 am

I meant to say trigger valve, people say you cover them in epoxy.

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Post by Silence » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:26 am

co2000 wrote:I meant to say trigger valve, people say you cover them in epoxy.
Hmm...that makes no sense at all. The various types of trigger valve repairs are very rare, and I've only seen a few while here--Ben must know more about them. But from what I know, the problem is either a crack on the trigger valve, which can happen anywhere in the gun, or problems inside--which means future difficulty/impossibility in repairing the gun. I would just forget about reinforcements except for a trigger one if you need it and the pump one for the CPS 2100.

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Post by DX » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:03 am

Some people do coat their trigger valves in epoxy, although I personally think that's excessive. If you're going to coat anything, coat that short stretch of pipe from the end of the vinyl tubing to the pressure chamber. That's the most likely thing to give if something is to give. Although if you limit the amount of pumps you do after disabling the pressure release valve to sensible number, you shouldn't have to worry about anything giving in the first place.
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Post by co2000 » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:36 am

How many balloons should I use for a cps1000 and how many should I use for a cps 2100?

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Post by SSCBen » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:39 am

The key here is that some people used to reinforce their valves and tubing with epoxy. That was years ago, back in 2002 and 2003 before people knew anything about water guns, and I bet it was largely ineffective. Some water guns such as the CPS 2700 should not be K-modded because of potential cracking problems. Others however do not require reinforcement. The ones that will require reinforcement however would not be good choices.

I personally would never exceed 60 balloons in any water gun. 50 is a good number if you want power and capacity.

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Post by co2000 » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:55 pm

How do you get the nozzle cap off? I tried prying it but it started to crack.

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Post by co2000 » Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:31 am

My pump leaks to badly, it has does cps seal things not o rings, it is a black rubber thing.

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