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blaze · 06-22-2004, 06:44 PM

So I have just finished K-Modding my Cps 2100 with 29 balloons (one broke :P ). When it could only pump twice without the check valve releasing pressure, I decided the best thing to do was to do a Check Valve Freeze, so I did. I smothered the trigger valve with Plastic Welder so it wouldnt break. Do I need to reinforce anything else and how? Also, my main question, how many times should I pump for the maximum PC water amount and maximum range without a risk of breaking the gun? Thanks!

Ben · 06-22-2004, 06:51 PM

The trigger valve of the CPS 2100 is the smaller stronger kind in my opinion. That wasn't needed. My CPS 2100 has 30 balloons in it's chamber and no freeze (partial K mod for now, I've got 45 more balloons and a freeze planned). It works just fine, possibly yours had something screwed up with the check valve so freezing probably was a good idea.

I would recommend putting 30-40 more balloons in the chamber if you froze the check valve.

blaze · 06-22-2004, 07:36 PM

Yeah I'm planning on putting on some more balloons. Though it was pretty tough just to put on the first 30! I think those pearlized balloons are thicker or something. Again, how many times should I pump (with my 30 balloons)? Does that number change when I have more balloons on? And again, do I need to reinforce anything?

It was strange with my 30 balloons on without the Check Valve Freeze (I'm not going to test my gun with the freeze until tomorrow, waiting for the Plastic Welder to dry) and the two pumps I could get in before the check valve kicks in, I could get the gun to shoot almost 50 feet! Now I'm kind of convincing myself that these pearlized balloons are thicker.

BlueSmudge · 06-23-2004, 02:51 AM

based on dux's 65 balloon k-mod I would say 15-20 pumps.

It couldn't be as hard as putting on 67 9" balloons! (I got blisters on both my pinkies!)

BoltMasterZero · 06-23-2004, 10:38 AM

I just finished K modding mine too. I put 64 balloons on there. I think they were really small because today, my hands are sore. Also, I can't pump more than 3 times. After that it leaks. I think I need to reinforce the internals.

Ben · 06-23-2004, 11:08 AM

I've must have gone through hundreds of balloons while K modding. I think I even managed to get some on my 2700 no cut, if you want to know hard then try that. I to this date have not found it hard at all or got any blisters or anything. <_< Maybe I just have the right technique or I am stronger or something.

If it leaks, find the leak and epoxy it after sanding. Or be blaze and use plastic welder. Remember, it can hold 1000 psi more than epoxy, even though your soaker will never even approach 1000 psi. :P Wasted money!

RacerSoaker445 · 06-23-2004, 11:20 AM

Blaze,

Use Putty Epoxy to cap off the valve in the 2100, I have a pic of what it looks like after you put the epoxy on somewhere... (Doom..)

blaze · 06-23-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by RacerSoaker445@Jun 23 2004, 07:20 AM
Blaze,

Use Putty Epoxy to cap off the valve in the 2100, I have a pic of what it looks like after you put the epoxy on somewhere... (Doom..)

Putty epoxy to cap off the valve what? What are you talking about? Cap off? I covered the trigger valve with plastic welder and Doom said it was strong anyways so now its extra strong. Is that what you were talking about?

the gun shoots about 54 feet to the last drop and about 50 to the biggest puddle (as Doom would say...)

btw, for some reason after about 17 pumps it gets extremely difficult to pump so I stop. I think it might be the balloon hitting the walls of the pc, so thats why I Don't pump it any more than the amount that it is normal.

ps: im going to add 30 or 40 more balloons I will report with the new stats when I get them.

wetmonkey442 · 06-23-2004, 01:25 PM

I am goign to K-Mod my 2100, one I get the stupid pump cap off. I have tried everything, but nothing seems to work.

Ben · 06-23-2004, 01:40 PM

Get 2 big screwdrivers. Stick them both in under the cap. Keep on pushing in, and pry it open with the other one. That's what I did to get it off, was off in a matter of minutes after I got it out of the box.

blaze · 06-23-2004, 01:57 PM

Well what I did was simple: I broke the track for the pump at the very end. This doesn't affect pumping at all, since the break is past where the pump could go. I tried to pry the pump cap off but it was practically welded to the plastic, and I had nothing to pry against. Then, the stupid nozzle cover was in my way whenever I was putting the soaker back together, so I got out my pliers and broke that off. It's not as nice looking as before, but hey--performance is what counts, and mine is awesome.

DX · 06-23-2004, 07:48 PM

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based on dux's 65 balloon k-mod I would say 15-20 pumps.

Wow, if you do that many something will give. With 69 balloons on my new 21k, power can be achieved by only 4 pumps, but for the maximum 10 is enough.

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btw, for some reason after about 17 pumps it gets extremely difficult to pump so I stop. I think it might be the balloon hitting the walls of the pc, so thats why I Don't pump it any more than the amount that it is normal.

A stock 2100 gets hard to pump after 17. You shouldnt be pumping it more than 15 times.

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I am goign to K-Mod my 2100, one I get the stupid pump cap off. I have tried everything, but nothing seems to work.

The cap must be glued on. Saw into it so that it is cut down the middle, no more is needed as a split in the middle will allow the casing to come apart.

Ben · 06-23-2004, 08:08 PM

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A stock 2100 gets hard to pump after 17. You shouldnt be pumping it more than 15 times.

Really? My 2100 took 22 pumps before I modded? Maybe it's another mk than yours or something?

BoltMasterZero · 06-23-2004, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by DoomSoaker@Jun 23 2004, 10:08 AM
I to this date have not found it hard at all or got any blisters or anything. <_< Maybe I just have the right technique or I am stronger or something.

What size balloons are you using? 12"? I was using like 6". And it was hard. Plus I bought 75 of them and 11 of them broke.

Ben · 06-23-2004, 08:52 PM

Yep, 12" is what I've been using. I said that in the article too. I've tried 6" but I didn't think they would work very well on the PC so I used 12". They probably broke because they were too small for the chamber. Get some 12" and you won't have any problems with that unless your PC for some reason is twice as large as it's supposed to be.

06-22-2004, 06:44 PM	#1
blaze Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 515 UserID: 94	Cps 2100 So I have just finished K-Modding my Cps 2100 with 29 balloons (one broke :P ). When it could only pump twice without the check valve releasing pressure, I decided the best thing to do was to do a Check Valve Freeze, so I did. I smothered the trigger valve with Plastic Welder so it wouldnt break. Do I need to reinforce anything else and how? Also, my main question, how many times should I pump for the maximum PC water amount and maximum range without a risk of breaking the gun? Thanks!

06-22-2004, 06:51 PM	#2
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	The trigger valve of the CPS 2100 is the smaller stronger kind in my opinion. That wasn't needed. My CPS 2100 has 30 balloons in it's chamber and no freeze (partial K mod for now, I've got 45 more balloons and a freeze planned). It works just fine, possibly yours had something screwed up with the check valve so freezing probably was a good idea. I would recommend putting 30-40 more balloons in the chamber if you froze the check valve. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

06-23-2004, 02:51 AM	#4
BlueSmudge Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 886 UserID: 97	based on dux's 65 balloon k-mod I would say 15-20 pumps. It couldn't be as hard as putting on 67 9" balloons! (I got blisters on both my pinkies!) __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------- BlueSoak.net --------------------------------------------------------------

06-23-2004, 11:08 AM	#6
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	I've must have gone through hundreds of balloons while K modding. I think I even managed to get some on my 2700 no cut, if you want to know hard then try that. I to this date have not found it hard at all or got any blisters or anything. <_< Maybe I just have the right technique or I am stronger or something. If it leaks, find the leak and epoxy it after sanding. Or be blaze and use plastic welder. Remember, it can hold 1000 psi more than epoxy, even though your soaker will never even approach 1000 psi. :P Wasted money! __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

06-23-2004, 11:20 AM	#7
RacerSoaker445 Still selling stuff. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: On my tricked out PC Posts: 944 UserID: 83	Blaze, Use Putty Epoxy to cap off the valve in the 2100, I have a pic of what it looks like after you put the epoxy on somewhere... (Doom..) __________________ WORKING Guns For Sale: CPS 3200, Max-D 5000, WW Glo-Blaster BROKEN Guns For Sale: CPS 1500 + 15 Balloon K-Mod, Flash Flood + 3-layer collossus & PRVD, XXP 175, WW Hornet, SS 50 More info here. Interested? PM me.

06-22-2004, 07:36 PM	#3
blaze Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 515 UserID: 94	Yeah I'm planning on putting on some more balloons. Though it was pretty tough just to put on the first 30! I think those pearlized balloons are thicker or something. Again, how many times should I pump (with my 30 balloons)? Does that number change when I have more balloons on? And again, do I need to reinforce anything? It was strange with my 30 balloons on without the Check Valve Freeze (I'm not going to test my gun with the freeze until tomorrow, waiting for the Plastic Welder to dry) and the two pumps I could get in before the check valve kicks in, I could get the gun to shoot almost 50 feet! Now I'm kind of convincing myself that these pearlized balloons are thicker.

06-23-2004, 10:38 AM	#5
BoltMasterZero Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 32 UserID: 191	I just finished K modding mine too. I put 64 balloons on there. I think they were really small because today, my hands are sore. Also, I can't pump more than 3 times. After that it leaks. I think I need to reinforce the internals.

06-23-2004, 01:25 PM	#9
wetmonkey442 Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 256 UserID: 47	I am goign to K-Mod my 2100, one I get the stupid pump cap off. I have tried everything, but nothing seems to work. __________________ Join the fight! Support water warfare in your area today! Downpour-A Reliable Source of Water Warfare Information

06-23-2004, 01:40 PM	#10
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	Get 2 big screwdrivers. Stick them both in under the cap. Keep on pushing in, and pry it open with the other one. That's what I did to get it off, was off in a matter of minutes after I got it out of the box. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

06-23-2004, 01:57 PM	#11
blaze Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 515 UserID: 94	Well what I did was simple: I broke the track for the pump at the very end. This doesn't affect pumping at all, since the break is past where the pump could go. I tried to pry the pump cap off but it was practically welded to the plastic, and I had nothing to pry against. Then, the stupid nozzle cover was in my way whenever I was putting the soaker back together, so I got out my pliers and broke that off. It's not as nice looking as before, but hey--performance is what counts, and mine is awesome.

06-23-2004, 08:52 PM	#15
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	Yep, 12" is what I've been using. I said that in the article too. I've tried 6" but I didn't think they would work very well on the PC so I used 12". They probably broke because they were too small for the chamber. Get some 12" and you won't have any problems with that unless your PC for some reason is twice as large as it's supposed to be. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

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