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Monsoon · 04-26-2004, 06:34 PM

Here are some things I think about 2004's soaker status:
Most can agree the Official Super Soakers suck this year. I say either buy something good from another name brand or get some old ones off Ebay.
Here are some problems with these XPBackfire-esque soakers:
-The Helix is more novelty than useful
-The 3A's shot is XPBackfire-esque
-The Liquidator is STILL not avaliable in many places
-The Hydro Blade is again, more novelty than useful
-The Vaporizer is the only Official Super Soaker actually worth buying.

Last year didn't do too well either with that EES XPBackfire-esque. Good thing they still had some CPS's on the shelves (I got a CPS 2100 AND a Splashzooka from Toys R Us last year).

Hasbro is going to lose what I think is a quarter of their sales if they keep selling bad stuff. Most can agree, ever since Hasbro took over Laramie, all they did was ruin these once perfect water weapons.

Homemades/mods are the way of the future. I'm worried about K modding my CPS 2100 because I don't want to lose my only CPS when they don't sell them anymore.

Ben · 04-26-2004, 07:06 PM

If only more people agreed! I've been saying that for a while, you can't be an older warrior and expect a toy company to give you what you want. We don't fight with toys.

Some of my friends think the 2004 stuff doesn't actually seem so bad, one wants to buy the water worm because he thinks it's something completely new, but it's not, and it's XPBackfire-esque.

blaze · 04-26-2004, 07:09 PM

I have a feeling that soakertag soakers will stay around for a while. they're cheap and easy to make. also, if you can, id suggest getting some 2 pack of tiny weapons they still sell (xp [iforgotnumber], maxd 2000) because they're better than a vaporizer, though I agree that the vaporizer is pretty much the only one that isnt worthless.

Neuro · 04-26-2004, 07:38 PM

now part of that isn't true - the helix' spinning mechanism is far more difficult to make than normal soakers. but yes, I agree. 2004 is XPBackfire-esque.

BlueSmudge · 04-26-2004, 08:01 PM

I would say the helix is about the same as the vaporizer, it just costs twice as much, and I assume it is harder to mod because of that spinning mechinism on the front.

Neuro · 04-26-2004, 08:04 PM

menothinks so...

BlueSmudge · 04-26-2004, 08:06 PM

what makes you think it is better or worse. the working are vary similar, the helix is two vaporizer shots spinning. Almost the same I think.

Xray · 04-27-2004, 10:41 AM

If I can find a simple (cheap in legal fees type of thing) way to break their SS Patents id get somewhere...

If I can figure it out im going to go to a local plastic prototype fabricator and see what I can afford to do with some designs im making in a CAD program. No im not posting these designs... :P

I wanna see where I can go with this, if its possible I'll try to make a few guns and maybe sell them online... im not sure it will make it this far though.

BTW, does anyone know if they have international patents for SS's? im not in the US so...

-blake

Hasbro can burn, in a place below us which I won't name (to save the little kids and some religious people)

Spinner · 04-27-2004, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xray@Apr 27 2004, 04:41 PM
BTW, does anyone know if they have international patents for SS's? im not in the US so...

I'd say almost certainly - otherwise they'd be loads of non-Hasbro CPS guns on the market. Where are you then, Canada?

BTW, which CAD program do you use? I use TurboCAD at the moment...

RacerSoaker445 · 04-27-2004, 11:15 AM

[at]Xray
Once you get the guns and all that, I'll make a nice logo for ya.

[at]The Helix
Is there a way to stop it from spinning?

Xray · 04-27-2004, 04:04 PM

Yes Canada. Im using PowerCADD on my Mac.

I've gotta think of a new design then... or give up, or break the patent by slightly changing a certain thing.

Ben · 04-27-2004, 04:19 PM

I would already be selling homemade CPS soakers if I could do it legally. I'm not sure about Canada, I do know most of the US patent laws.

You likely could make the Helix stop spinning with modding. It would be cheaper though to buy a Vaporizer.

Spinner · 04-27-2004, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RacerSoaker445@Apr 27 2004, 05:15 PM
[at]The Helix
Is there a way to stop it from spinning?

I think you could fairly easily and cheaply, just take out the gear system and nozzle and replace with a straight length of pipe. Look at the internals I sent in to SSC. B)

BlueSmudge · 04-27-2004, 10:06 PM

whast the point, then you just have an ugly Vaporizer that cost you twice as much...

04-26-2004, 06:34 PM	#1
Monsoon Retired Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 832 UserID: 56	Here are some things I think about 2004's soaker status: Most can agree the Official Super Soakers suck this year. I say either buy something good from another name brand or get some old ones off Ebay. Here are some problems with these XPBackfire-esque soakers: -The Helix is more novelty than useful -The 3A's shot is XPBackfire-esque -The Liquidator is STILL not avaliable in many places -The Hydro Blade is again, more novelty than useful -The Vaporizer is the only Official Super Soaker actually worth buying. Last year didn't do too well either with that EES XPBackfire-esque. Good thing they still had some CPS's on the shelves (I got a CPS 2100 AND a Splashzooka from Toys R Us last year). Hasbro is going to lose what I think is a quarter of their sales if they keep selling bad stuff. Most can agree, ever since Hasbro took over Laramie, all they did was ruin these once perfect water weapons. Homemades/mods are the way of the future. I'm worried about K modding my CPS 2100 because I don't want to lose my only CPS when they don't sell them anymore. __________________ Do not underestimate the power of stupidity in large groups

04-26-2004, 07:06 PM	#2
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,974 UserID: 1	If only more people agreed! I've been saying that for a while, you can't be an older warrior and expect a toy company to give you what you want. We don't fight with toys. Some of my friends think the 2004 stuff doesn't actually seem so bad, one wants to buy the water worm because he thinks it's something completely new, but it's not, and it's XPBackfire-esque. __________________ email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas. Do not send me a PM or email about reading a certain post unless it's been a few days since you've posted. I try to read every post.

04-26-2004, 07:38 PM	#4
Neuro Retired Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,081 UserID: 30	now part of that isn't true - the helix' spinning mechanism is far more difficult to make than normal soakers. but yes, I agree. 2004 is XPBackfire-esque. __________________ "I used to care, but now I take a pill for that." You can pretty much ignore the times on that, I rarely ever have Xfire on when I play. I should, though.

04-26-2004, 08:01 PM	#5
BlueSmudge Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 886 UserID: 97	I would say the helix is about the same as the vaporizer, it just costs twice as much, and I assume it is harder to mod because of that spinning mechinism on the front. __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------- BlueSoak.net --------------------------------------------------------------

04-26-2004, 08:04 PM	#6
Neuro Retired Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,081 UserID: 30	menothinks so... __________________ "I used to care, but now I take a pill for that." You can pretty much ignore the times on that, I rarely ever have Xfire on when I play. I should, though.

04-26-2004, 07:09 PM	#3
blaze Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 515 UserID: 94	I have a feeling that soakertag soakers will stay around for a while. they're cheap and easy to make. also, if you can, id suggest getting some 2 pack of tiny weapons they still sell (xp [iforgotnumber], maxd 2000) because they're better than a vaporizer, though I agree that the vaporizer is pretty much the only one that isnt worthless.

04-26-2004, 08:06 PM	#7
BlueSmudge Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 886 UserID: 97	what makes you think it is better or worse. the working are vary similar, the helix is two vaporizer shots spinning. Almost the same I think. __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------- BlueSoak.net --------------------------------------------------------------

04-27-2004, 10:41 AM	#8
Xray Builder of Soakers Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 68 UserID: 99	If I can find a simple (cheap in legal fees type of thing) way to break their SS Patents id get somewhere... If I can figure it out im going to go to a local plastic prototype fabricator and see what I can afford to do with some designs im making in a CAD program. No im not posting these designs... :P I wanna see where I can go with this, if its possible I'll try to make a few guns and maybe sell them online... im not sure it will make it this far though. BTW, does anyone know if they have international patents for SS's? im not in the US so... -blake Hasbro can burn, in a place below us which I won't name (to save the little kids and some religious people)

04-27-2004, 11:15 AM	#10
RacerSoaker445 Still selling stuff. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: On my tricked out PC Posts: 944 UserID: 83	[at]Xray Once you get the guns and all that, I'll make a nice logo for ya. [at]The Helix Is there a way to stop it from spinning? __________________ WORKING Guns For Sale: CPS 3200, Max-D 5000, WW Glo-Blaster BROKEN Guns For Sale: CPS 1500 + 15 Balloon K-Mod, Flash Flood + 3-layer collossus & PRVD, XXP 175, WW Hornet, SS 50 More info here. Interested? PM me.

04-27-2004, 04:04 PM	#11
Xray Builder of Soakers Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 68 UserID: 99	Yes Canada. Im using PowerCADD on my Mac. I've gotta think of a new design then... or give up, or break the patent by slightly changing a certain thing.

04-27-2004, 04:19 PM	#12
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,974 UserID: 1	I would already be selling homemade CPS soakers if I could do it legally. I'm not sure about Canada, I do know most of the US patent laws. You likely could make the Helix stop spinning with modding. It would be cheaper though to buy a Vaporizer. __________________ email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas. Do not send me a PM or email about reading a certain post unless it's been a few days since you've posted. I try to read every post.

04-27-2004, 10:06 PM	#14
BlueSmudge Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 886 UserID: 97	whast the point, then you just have an ugly Vaporizer that cost you twice as much... __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------- BlueSoak.net --------------------------------------------------------------

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