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[The dark ANNIHILATOR]

Im quite sure the MXL has 2 seperate PCs.

Aquanexus: Because of the 2 Individual Pressure tanks inside the gun, the range difference between having 1 barrel firing and 2 barrels firing was minimal.

I can suport that. Puting it on 1 nozzle will only increase the shot length, but not the power.
Since its the only "dual nozzle CPS" we have, there is no other way to know for sure. The way I understood it from the CPS2000MK1 versus CPS2000Mk2 review, is that the power of a CPS will mainly depend on the quality rubber and bladder used in the CPS chambers. If adding multiple CPS chambers would increse power is something Im in the dark abiout. I would suggest it would only affect shot time taking the MXL as an example.

Plus power is a relativ term. Power in a sense that it will get more water out and soakage, then yes, a dual nozzle CPS is more powerful. But power as in distance when you use the CPS chambers on 1 nozzle, I would say no.

[Ben]

Power to me is basically output, range is determined by other things such as how laminated the stream is. Range to me is more important than power, if it can shoot 150 feet with a 2X nozzle, so be it! That's not very realistic though...

[The dark ANNIHILATOR]

Power to me is basically output, range is determined by other things such as how laminated the stream is. Range to me is more important than power, if it can shoot 150 feet with a 2X nozzle, so be it! That's not very realistic though...

In that respect we have a similar interpretation of "power". To me power is the "soakage impact". I also call it "splatter impact", which for my tatse is probbaly the most imortant apect to soakers. In that view more CPS chambers would result more power as in higher soakage. But having said that, the majority of soaker users would interprete power as a sign of "shot distance". To them I say, multiple CPS chambers will not make much of a difference.

Big Bee mentioned in a post that it would be possible for them to make a 20mm nozzle, but there would be some complication. From the sound of that, diaphram tech seems to have more elbow room when it comes to archieving that goal than CPS chambers. Im not comletly sure about that, but it apears that way.

[Ben]

Actually I emailed Big Bee about soaker tech and I'm guessing that they could do that with air pressure very well from what he told me about. Diaphram and CPS are made more for general use, I see now that they will be much harder to make more powerful than air pressure, and they probably meant they could make a blaster with a 20mm nozzle but it likely wouldn't be very useful and/or take way too many pumps or use an air compressor. Having a soaker with a 20mm nozzle is one thing, having one that uses it well is another. If you saw the nozzle off one of you're CPS 1000's, thats about a 2.5mm hole right there. Will it work good, no. Remember that most things are possible, making them practical is different.

Big Bee told me the basic specifications of a water gun that will shoot 100 feet, this would weight more than a MXL and have pressure so high you wouldn't want to get shot by it no matter how far away you are standing. When he says that he can make a gun do this and it's very impressive, remember that the gun may have to be designed to do that and only that, forgetting safety, weight and practicality.

[USSA]

Originally posted by The dark ANNIHILATOR@Apr 7 2004, 03:01 AM
I wonder if it could be said that Diaphram tech combines the best from both worlds(CPS and Airpressure), by having CPS thick power, Airpressure shot time length and fexibility. But we would still have to buy a Blazer to answer that.

I own a blazer and can confirm that. Its a great blaster

[Ben]

Hmm I didn't read that quoted part until now. You have to understand that shot time is not controled by the type of pressure, shot time only comes from low output, large PCs or both. If diaphram technology is as powerful as it is claimed to be, it should be like CPS is with low shot times. However, the guns have small nozzles, so the shot time is increased.

I'll buy a Blazer maybe, possibly one of the X-Stream air pressure guns. I've been thinking that my money could be better spent on other things though, such as this site's hosting and homemades.

USSA, can you open up the Blazer and take pics? People want to know what the inside looks like for possible mods.

[USSA]

sure I may open up a piranaha instead but definatly diaphram tech.

Anywho I can't get it onto the net so if I e-mailed u the pics could u post em?

(note my blasters are in NY and right now I'm in Washington so give me at least a week

[Ben]

Can't you post attachements? It should be under the post icons. If not I'll try to fix it.

You could email it to me at ben[at]sscentral.net if you don't want to use the attachments.

[The dark ANNIHILATOR]

You have to understand that shot time is not controled by the type of pressure, shot time only comes from low output, large PCs or both. If diaphram technology is as powerful as it is claimed to be, it should be like CPS is with low shot times. However, the guns have small nozzles, so the shot time is increased.

Well, for all we know, there might be more space in the 2 diaphram chambers than in the CPS chamber of a small CPS. Big Bee said that the Blazer next year will have a 5X nozzle. Then we will know what the shot time would be with a CPS size nozzle. Thats why I have not bought a Blazer yet. That and its not in stores yet where I live. In a past post he mentioned they try to improve on CPS technology instead of copy it. Again, it might be the real deal, and Diaphram tech might be the next step of in the soaker evolution. He used to work for hasbro, so his statement that diaphram tech is superior to CPS tech might be well founded.

[USSA]

I suggested that u know. I got my blazer and promtly drilled the nozzles. With a 5mm nozzle its stats are virtually identical to the 2100 (see chart)

Blazer * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Same * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *2100
Has strap * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *doesn't have strap
easy to pump * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * hard to pump
gauge * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * no gauge
many adjustable nozzles * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * single nozzle
stream stays together * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * stream uncontrolabe
740ml compression tank * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 540 ml compression tank
1900ml tank * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 2000ml tank
more pumps * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *less pumps
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *similar firing distances
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *identical nozzle apetures

a 5mm driill bit will give you a gun with stats virtually identical to the 2100. When I drilled it I was trying to make one rito blast nozzle but it wound up preforming like a good cps. Note the 2100 fired 3' farther than the blazer but if you use the blazer one 3mm even that is remedied.

[The dark ANNIHILATOR]

What is the shot time with the 5mm nozzle on the blaster?

[Neuro]

I have no idea what this new system of soaker power is, could someone fill me in here?

[Ben]

It basically is CPS, just in a different form. I've seen pics of the PCs of the Blazer, it's CPS but with a "disc" that expands, the disc is held down on some plastic.

http://www.sscentral.net/blazer/

That's it, they aren't my pics though.