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StormGlorious · 05-31-2008, 08:20 PM

The one problem that alot of WBL's have is long reloading times. My friend and I have just finished a Tank that allows for 10 to 15 shots before you have to reload. With pre-filled water balloons I imagine that we could get of maybe 10 shots a minute. Here are some pictures, taken in my friends room.
The P.P.T.T
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http://forums.sscentral.org/attachme...1&d=1212341004

Ben · 05-31-2008, 09:16 PM

Nice tank. That should be useful in more remote areas. Not much development has been done in this area so anything is great.

How did you modify this tank to store air? Was it a propane tank or something similar? I've been considering modifying an old propane tank my parents have that they don't have any use for but I know nothing about the process.

Drenchenator · 05-31-2008, 11:17 PM

Great idea! It certain solves the charging problem, provided you have enough air. Simple things like this help immensely, and for obvious reasons. I would actually recommend against a rapid-fire approach: It seems better to take careful and and do something tactical, though the ability to shoot many really fast doesn't hurt either.

StormGlorious · 06-01-2008, 03:59 AM

I would never rapid fire in an actual war, I said that merely to show how efficient this is.
It is an old propane tank. We charge it to 470 psi. It works very nicely. I love it because it makes WBL tactically effecient.

Drenchenator · 06-01-2008, 09:05 AM

470 psi? That is really high, much higher than anything Ben and I have worked with. Ben and I are limited by our air compressor, which only gets up to 150 psi, though it was made for automotive work. Did you hand pump that or use a compressor?

Silence · 06-01-2008, 11:55 AM

It looks like there's a compressor in the pictures.

Make sure you use metal parts for your water balloon launcher. Even thin copper or brass should hold, but I wouldn't trust PVC in this situation. Unfortunately, the combined weight of a metal launcher and a metal tank could be cumbersome.

Drenchenator · 06-01-2008, 01:52 PM

Oops. I guess I didn't see that; I was just looking at the tank I suppose. I just didn't think any "conventional" compressor would get that high, but I guess I'm wrong.

Silence · 06-01-2008, 06:28 PM

Tire, ball, and balloon inflaters, which are the most common, don't get such pressures. But compressors for air tools definitely do, and there are probably a bunch of products for pressures in between 100 PSI and HPA pressures.

StormGlorious · 06-02-2008, 07:40 AM

We don't give the Wbl 470 PSI, only the tank. The WBL has a PRV which activates at 80 PSI. This was put in to avoid any catastrophic injuries. Just cleaning up confusion.

Ben · 06-02-2008, 08:49 AM

If you got a regulator to put on your air chamber it would make it a lot more efficient and safer. Pressure relief valves are a great idea (see my new CAP thread) but a regulator would make more sense here.

StormGlorious · 06-03-2008, 05:55 AM

Okay, thanks Ben we'll keep that thought in mind.
storm,

Ben · 06-03-2008, 08:40 AM

Rereading what I wrote, I didn't quite say what I meant. You should still keep the relief valve on the WBL but a regulator in addition would be best. That way you don't waste excess air and still have all the safety of a relief valve.

StormGlorious · 06-04-2008, 04:39 AM

Okay, thanks Ben we'll keep that thought in mind.
storm,

C-A_99 · 06-20-2008, 12:07 PM

Does your launcher have a breech or bolt? With one, you could blast off a shot every 3-5 seconds or so. I am currently working on a more portable launcher right now that has a bolt, using an onboard pump and small single shot pressure chamber, which is currently the bottleneck for its rate of fire.

StormGlorious · 07-06-2008, 09:04 AM

C-A_99- The launcher somewhat resembles a douchenator, with a slightly larger PC. However, I to am working on a rifle-like WBL aswell. I call it 'Posiedon'. I am currently trying to find out the how small I can get the PC without reducing range too much. The idea with the small PC is for fast pressurization. The gun is not designed to shoot hundreds of meters, but rather 80-90 feet. Kind-of like the 'Winchester' of water warfare.

Storm

05-31-2008, 09:16 PM	#2
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank Nice tank. That should be useful in more remote areas. Not much development has been done in this area so anything is great. How did you modify this tank to store air? Was it a propane tank or something similar? I've been considering modifying an old propane tank my parents have that they don't have any use for but I know nothing about the process. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

05-31-2008, 11:17 PM	#3
Drenchenator Administrator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 718 UserID: 320	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank Great idea! It certain solves the charging problem, provided you have enough air. Simple things like this help immensely, and for obvious reasons. I would actually recommend against a rapid-fire approach: It seems better to take careful and and do something tactical, though the ability to shoot many really fast doesn't hurt either. __________________ The Drenchenator, also known as Lt. Col. Drench.

06-01-2008, 03:59 AM	#4
StormGlorious ThunderWars Representative Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 153 UserID: 1431	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank I would never rapid fire in an actual war, I said that merely to show how efficient this is. It is an old propane tank. We charge it to 470 psi. It works very nicely. I love it because it makes WBL tactically effecient. __________________ Armoury:CPS 2500, CPS 1700, 2xCPS 2100, SC PowerPack, Triple Agressor, HydraPack, Lightning, APH x3, Pneumatic Grenade Launcher, Triple Shot, Liquidator, Arctic Blast 'Wherever there' s a Dark Age, There are Dark Apostles' *Play Magic: the Gathering*

06-01-2008, 09:05 AM	#5
Drenchenator Administrator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 718 UserID: 320	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank 470 psi? That is really high, much higher than anything Ben and I have worked with. Ben and I are limited by our air compressor, which only gets up to 150 psi, though it was made for automotive work. Did you hand pump that or use a compressor? __________________ The Drenchenator, also known as Lt. Col. Drench.

06-01-2008, 11:55 AM	#6
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,293 UserID: 576	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank It looks like there's a compressor in the pictures. Make sure you use metal parts for your water balloon launcher. Even thin copper or brass should hold, but I wouldn't trust PVC in this situation. Unfortunately, the combined weight of a metal launcher and a metal tank could be cumbersome. __________________ Forum rules

06-01-2008, 01:52 PM	#7
Drenchenator Administrator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 718 UserID: 320	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank Oops. I guess I didn't see that; I was just looking at the tank I suppose. I just didn't think any "conventional" compressor would get that high, but I guess I'm wrong. __________________ The Drenchenator, also known as Lt. Col. Drench.

06-01-2008, 06:28 PM	#8
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,293 UserID: 576	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank Tire, ball, and balloon inflaters, which are the most common, don't get such pressures. But compressors for air tools definitely do, and there are probably a bunch of products for pressures in between 100 PSI and HPA pressures. __________________ Forum rules

06-02-2008, 07:40 AM	#9
StormGlorious ThunderWars Representative Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 153 UserID: 1431	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank We don't give the Wbl 470 PSI, only the tank. The WBL has a PRV which activates at 80 PSI. This was put in to avoid any catastrophic injuries. Just cleaning up confusion. __________________ Armoury:CPS 2500, CPS 1700, 2xCPS 2100, SC PowerPack, Triple Agressor, HydraPack, Lightning, APH x3, Pneumatic Grenade Launcher, Triple Shot, Liquidator, Arctic Blast 'Wherever there' s a Dark Age, There are Dark Apostles' *Play Magic: the Gathering*

06-02-2008, 08:49 AM	#10
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank If you got a regulator to put on your air chamber it would make it a lot more efficient and safer. Pressure relief valves are a great idea (see my new CAP thread) but a regulator would make more sense here. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

06-03-2008, 05:55 AM	#11
StormGlorious ThunderWars Representative Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 153 UserID: 1431	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank Okay, thanks Ben we'll keep that thought in mind. storm, __________________ Armoury:CPS 2500, CPS 1700, 2xCPS 2100, SC PowerPack, Triple Agressor, HydraPack, Lightning, APH x3, Pneumatic Grenade Launcher, Triple Shot, Liquidator, Arctic Blast 'Wherever there' s a Dark Age, There are Dark Apostles' *Play Magic: the Gathering*

06-03-2008, 08:40 AM	#12
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank Rereading what I wrote, I didn't quite say what I meant. You should still keep the relief valve on the WBL but a regulator in addition would be best. That way you don't waste excess air and still have all the safety of a relief valve. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

06-04-2008, 04:39 AM	#13
StormGlorious ThunderWars Representative Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 153 UserID: 1431	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank Okay, thanks Ben we'll keep that thought in mind. storm, __________________ Armoury:CPS 2500, CPS 1700, 2xCPS 2100, SC PowerPack, Triple Agressor, HydraPack, Lightning, APH x3, Pneumatic Grenade Launcher, Triple Shot, Liquidator, Arctic Blast 'Wherever there' s a Dark Age, There are Dark Apostles' *Play Magic: the Gathering*

06-20-2008, 12:07 PM	#14
C-A_99 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MI, US Posts: 470 UserID: 809	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank Does your launcher have a breech or bolt? With one, you could blast off a shot every 3-5 seconds or so. I am currently working on a more portable launcher right now that has a bolt, using an onboard pump and small single shot pressure chamber, which is currently the bottleneck for its rate of fire. __________________ http://hbww.fateback.com/index.html Website w/ info on teams, armory, etc.

07-06-2008, 09:04 AM	#15
StormGlorious ThunderWars Representative Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 153 UserID: 1431	Re: Pre Pressurized Tank C-A_99- The launcher somewhat resembles a douchenator, with a slightly larger PC. However, I to am working on a rifle-like WBL aswell. I call it 'Posiedon'. I am currently trying to find out the how small I can get the PC without reducing range too much. The idea with the small PC is for fast pressurization. The gun is not designed to shoot hundreds of meters, but rather 80-90 feet. Kind-of like the 'Winchester' of water warfare. Storm __________________ Armoury:CPS 2500, CPS 1700, 2xCPS 2100, SC PowerPack, Triple Agressor, HydraPack, Lightning, APH x3, Pneumatic Grenade Launcher, Triple Shot, Liquidator, Arctic Blast 'Wherever there' s a Dark Age, There are Dark Apostles' *Play Magic: the Gathering*

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