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danDdestroyer · 05-19-2008, 04:06 PM

Hello all
during my last water war, yesterday, my CPS 4100 when pumped, slowly leaked the water and air from the bladder back into the tank
plz help

also, my flash flood's trigger broke, wondering how to open it,

and my bros devastator broke, the trigger again, just wondering how to fix that

Silence · 05-19-2008, 05:00 PM

How much of the water leaked back? How quickly?

For the other repairs please see our water gun repairs section or search the forums.

Ben · 05-19-2008, 06:00 PM

Welcome to SSC!

I don't know if you've read the sticky threads here because it seems like you haven't. Read this to help us help you: http://forums.sscentral.org/t2227/

From what you've described, your CPS 4100 might have a broken pressure relief valve. More testing to determine how slow the leak is could be helpful. This sounds like your problem: http://www.sscentral.org/repairs/not..._charging.html

You could have a clogged valve which can be fixed with pipe cleaners and repeated shooting of the water gun. I've also read of someone using high concentration HCl to eat away a clog, but I wouldn't recommend that or any other nasty chemicals unless you are sure they are compatible with the water gun's materials. You could also have a simply broken pressure relief valve, and in that case the only repair is pressure relief valve disabling.

The problem could be in one of the check valves (one way valves) that make the pump assembly work, but that would only be the case if the leak back into the water reservoir was slow. It could be a clog or it could be simply a broken check valve. The clog instructions are the same as for the pressure relief valve, but you can't remove this valve and expect the water gun to work so do you cut this valve out unless you know what you're doing. You can replace the valve with another check valve, but it would be a sloppy repair that I would only suggest for the most confident and those who have nothing to lose by repairing their water gun. If your problem is a broken check valve I will explain to you a procedure that should work.

danDdestroyer · 05-19-2008, 06:12 PM

thanks, its very slow, and it slowly releases the pressure back into the tank
btw
where can I get epoxy?

Ben · 05-19-2008, 06:14 PM

You can get epoxy from a hardware or home improvement store like Lowes or Home Depot. Hobby stores have it. Wal*Mart has it. It's everywhere. Go to any of the stores I mentioned and ask for it. If you don't want to leave your house you can get it from McMaster-Carr. Read this article too: http://www.sscentral.org/repairs/glue.html

danDdestroyer · 05-19-2008, 06:18 PM

okay, thanks
also
are there any how to's on fixing like
a completely trashed 3200
we well, hooked the hose connector to
an actual hose, the gun charged itself and gained like
20 ft of range, but then we didnt fire it for a minute and
it exploded, like
literally, right in my hands, the inside blew up

Ben · 05-19-2008, 06:48 PM

Again, you'll have to describe the problem in more detail. Can you get a picture so we can see the break? What part exploded? This stuff matters.

If the CPS bladder burst try this repair. If the plastic broke try this repair. If it's something else, look at the repairs section thoroughly, search, and if you can't find an answer post here in detail as described in the sticky threads.

As for the earlier mentioned broken triggers, you'll have to describe how the trigger broke because there are multiple ways they could have broken. Is the trigger no longer opening the valve? Is the trigger snapped in half or cracked? Again, more detail helps. If the trigger snapped then this repair works: http://www.sscentral.org/repairs/snapped_trigger.html

Drenchenator · 05-19-2008, 06:49 PM

Do you mean that the rubber bladder that is the pressure chamber blew up? We have an article on how to replace it.

In the future, don't do anything like that to a gun. In my opinion that was just asking to break it.

As always, any pictures will greatly help us diagnose the problems with your guns.

danDdestroyer · 05-19-2008, 06:52 PM

It was asking to break it
yeaaahhhh
it worked really well while it did though
theres nothing like watching the pressure gauge go up 4 u

Drenchenator · 05-19-2008, 07:07 PM

All that the pressure gauge is tell how full the pressure chamber is; in order words it's not really a pressure gauge but a fill gauge. I just wanted you to know that those kind of things tend to break guns. Basically what you did was fill the chamber until it literally popped like a balloon.

Good luck with the repairs! If you have anymore questions or need some clarification, don't hesitate to ask.

danDdestroyer · 05-19-2008, 09:21 PM

Thank you
also, from my friends, I learned that the guns we need to repair are, well
I need to repair, are, 2 flash floods, 1 CPS 3200, 1 Drenchenator, 1 arctic shock, 1 maxD arctic shock, a max D 5000, a max D 2000, and a Max D 3000

Yea....
do you guys have instructions for that
just general gun pics and things

Silence · 05-19-2008, 09:27 PM

It depends on what's wrong with each water gun. Once again, check out the repairs section for a list of everything we know that could go wrong.

Pictures won't be of much use as you'll need to open the soakers to fix them anyway. But if you're interest, check out our extensive galleries. The internals pictures would be the most useful. And if you can't find pictures of the exact soaker you're trying to fix, use pictures from a similar soaker.

Drenchenator · 05-19-2008, 09:31 PM

Quote:

I need to repair, are, 2 flash floods, 1 CPS 3200, 1 Drenchenator, 1 arctic shock, 1 maxD arctic shock, a max D 5000, a max D 2000, and a Max D 3000

Could you please post what is wrong with each one individually? It sounds like you got a lot of work ahead if you want to repair everyone. Hopefully many of the repairs'll be simple.

danDdestroyer · 05-20-2008, 03:22 PM

okay,
here goes,
The liquidator had a broken spring, fixed that
Trashed the 3200, was the hardest thing I've ever done, but it was completely toasted
Okay, the 1st arctic shock water comes out when its pumped and trigger doesnt work
flash flood 1, trigger broke
Flash Flood 2 trigger spring broken
Devastator, trigger broken,
Max D 5000, trigger sticky
Max D 3000 same problem
Max D 2000 same again
Max D arctic shock, normal trigger is broken
also known as
ONE FUN WEEKEND!!

Silence · 05-20-2008, 04:49 PM

Did this all happen in one weekend? Or are you talking about this weekend when you sit down to fix the soakers?

We have a repair guide for broken triggers. With the first Arctic Shock, there are a couple different issues that might exist - it depends on where the leak is, but we do have repair articles on several places. And I'm not sure why the MD5K's trigger is sticky, so you'll have to open your water gun to find the problem.

05-19-2008, 04:06 PM	#1
danDdestroyer ranger/ commander, of the Derr forces Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13 UserID: 1559	CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs Hello all during my last water war, yesterday, my CPS 4100 when pumped, slowly leaked the water and air from the bladder back into the tank plz help also, my flash flood's trigger broke, wondering how to open it, and my bros devastator broke, the trigger again, just wondering how to fix that

05-19-2008, 05:00 PM	#2
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,293 UserID: 576	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs How much of the water leaked back? How quickly? For the other repairs please see our water gun repairs section or search the forums. __________________ Forum rules

05-19-2008, 06:00 PM	#3
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs Welcome to SSC! I don't know if you've read the sticky threads here because it seems like you haven't. Read this to help us help you: http://forums.sscentral.org/t2227/ From what you've described, your CPS 4100 might have a broken pressure relief valve. More testing to determine how slow the leak is could be helpful. This sounds like your problem: http://www.sscentral.org/repairs/not..._charging.html You could have a clogged valve which can be fixed with pipe cleaners and repeated shooting of the water gun. I've also read of someone using high concentration HCl to eat away a clog, but I wouldn't recommend that or any other nasty chemicals unless you are sure they are compatible with the water gun's materials. You could also have a simply broken pressure relief valve, and in that case the only repair is pressure relief valve disabling. The problem could be in one of the check valves (one way valves) that make the pump assembly work, but that would only be the case if the leak back into the water reservoir was slow. It could be a clog or it could be simply a broken check valve. The clog instructions are the same as for the pressure relief valve, but you can't remove this valve and expect the water gun to work so do you cut this valve out unless you know what you're doing. You can replace the valve with another check valve, but it would be a sloppy repair that I would only suggest for the most confident and those who have nothing to lose by repairing their water gun. If your problem is a broken check valve I will explain to you a procedure that should work. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

05-19-2008, 06:12 PM	#4
danDdestroyer ranger/ commander, of the Derr forces Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13 UserID: 1559	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs thanks, its very slow, and it slowly releases the pressure back into the tank btw where can I get epoxy?

05-19-2008, 06:14 PM	#5
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs You can get epoxy from a hardware or home improvement store like Lowes or Home Depot. Hobby stores have it. WalMart has it. It's everywhere. Go to any of the stores I mentioned and ask for it. If you don't want to leave your house you can get it from McMaster-Carr. Read this article too: http://www.sscentral.org/repairs/glue.html __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me.* Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

05-19-2008, 06:18 PM	#6
danDdestroyer ranger/ commander, of the Derr forces Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13 UserID: 1559	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs okay, thanks also are there any how to's on fixing like a completely trashed 3200 we well, hooked the hose connector to an actual hose, the gun charged itself and gained like 20 ft of range, but then we didnt fire it for a minute and it exploded, like literally, right in my hands, the inside blew up

05-19-2008, 06:48 PM	#7
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs Again, you'll have to describe the problem in more detail. Can you get a picture so we can see the break? What part exploded? This stuff matters. If the CPS bladder burst try this repair. If the plastic broke try this repair. If it's something else, look at the repairs section thoroughly, search, and if you can't find an answer post here in detail as described in the sticky threads. As for the earlier mentioned broken triggers, you'll have to describe how the trigger broke because there are multiple ways they could have broken. Is the trigger no longer opening the valve? Is the trigger snapped in half or cracked? Again, more detail helps. If the trigger snapped then this repair works: http://www.sscentral.org/repairs/snapped_trigger.html __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

05-19-2008, 06:49 PM	#8
Drenchenator Administrator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 718 UserID: 320	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs Do you mean that the rubber bladder that is the pressure chamber blew up? We have an article on how to replace it. In the future, don't do anything like that to a gun. In my opinion that was just asking to break it. As always, any pictures will greatly help us diagnose the problems with your guns. __________________ The Drenchenator, also known as Lt. Col. Drench.

05-19-2008, 06:52 PM	#9
danDdestroyer ranger/ commander, of the Derr forces Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13 UserID: 1559	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs It was asking to break it yeaaahhhh it worked really well while it did though theres nothing like watching the pressure gauge go up 4 u

05-19-2008, 07:07 PM	#10
Drenchenator Administrator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 718 UserID: 320	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs All that the pressure gauge is tell how full the pressure chamber is; in order words it's not really a pressure gauge but a fill gauge. I just wanted you to know that those kind of things tend to break guns. Basically what you did was fill the chamber until it literally popped like a balloon. Good luck with the repairs! If you have anymore questions or need some clarification, don't hesitate to ask. __________________ The Drenchenator, also known as Lt. Col. Drench.

05-19-2008, 09:21 PM	#11
danDdestroyer ranger/ commander, of the Derr forces Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13 UserID: 1559	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs Thank you also, from my friends, I learned that the guns we need to repair are, well I need to repair, are, 2 flash floods, 1 CPS 3200, 1 Drenchenator, 1 arctic shock, 1 maxD arctic shock, a max D 5000, a max D 2000, and a Max D 3000 Yea.... do you guys have instructions for that just general gun pics and things

05-19-2008, 09:27 PM	#12
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,293 UserID: 576	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs It depends on what's wrong with each water gun. Once again, check out the repairs section for a list of everything we know that could go wrong. Pictures won't be of much use as you'll need to open the soakers to fix them anyway. But if you're interest, check out our extensive galleries. The internals pictures would be the most useful. And if you can't find pictures of the exact soaker you're trying to fix, use pictures from a similar soaker. __________________ Forum rules

05-20-2008, 03:22 PM	#14
danDdestroyer ranger/ commander, of the Derr forces Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13 UserID: 1559	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs okay, here goes, The liquidator had a broken spring, fixed that Trashed the 3200, was the hardest thing I've ever done, but it was completely toasted Okay, the 1st arctic shock water comes out when its pumped and trigger doesnt work flash flood 1, trigger broke Flash Flood 2 trigger spring broken Devastator, trigger broken, Max D 5000, trigger sticky Max D 3000 same problem Max D 2000 same again Max D arctic shock, normal trigger is broken also known as ONE FUN WEEKEND!!

05-20-2008, 04:49 PM	#15
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,293 UserID: 576	Re: CPS 4100 break and Flash Flood and Devastator trigger repairs Did this all happen in one weekend? Or are you talking about this weekend when you sit down to fix the soakers? We have a repair guide for broken triggers. With the first Arctic Shock, there are a couple different issues that might exist - it depends on where the leak is, but we do have repair articles on several places. And I'm not sure why the MD5K's trigger is sticky, so you'll have to open your water gun to find the problem. __________________ Forum rules

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