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totokan · 06-18-2007, 10:31 AM

Well, today I went ebay hunting for a good gun. Two cps 2000's are on, one is not a cps 2000 (it's a 2500), the other's a mark one. Mk I Worth it or not?
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C-A_99 · 06-18-2007, 12:56 PM

Wait for the CPS 2500 as it's still got 6 days left. For the mk I, it usually goes up to $200 to $300, but what it's currently at is still some money, but a good deal compared to how high it usually goes up. If you think it's worth it, go for it. Personally, I would look for other guns and/or look into homemades.

totokan · 06-18-2007, 01:37 PM

Yeah, I know one is going for a long time. I'm making an APH and than a CPH this summer, too. But I want something less "fragile" than a homemade, i guess.

Silence · 06-19-2007, 12:16 AM

Homemades are the most rock-solid types of water guns around. Reliability and durability are one of the reasons people build homemade water guns. The only real trouble I can think of is that it's sometimes a struggle to make a pump that seals well at higher pressures. But those pressures are above those of regular water guns anyway, and the flow is greater, so performance is incredible.

There's still something to be said for the convenience and ergonomics of commercial water guns, though.

Ben · 06-19-2007, 07:34 AM

A major misconception made by some is that homemade water guns are more fragile than manufactured ones. The truth is the other way around. If you make your water gun from PVC and care about the outcome, I have no doubt that your homemade version will last longer than any manufactured one. Homemade water guns are made from pressure rated materials rated at much higher pressures than what the manufactured water guns are rated at, so they are much more durable.

Whenever I buy a manufactured water gun, I always worry about not being too hard with it as to not break it. I've found that most of the special care I took for manufactured water guns was unnecessary in the ones I built. You have to realize they make their products with a specific lifetime that usually isn't very long, so you have to go out and buy another product eventually.

totokan · 06-19-2007, 08:35 AM

The design of the APH makes it seem like it would buckle under its own weight, or that's what my dad thinks.

Silence · 06-19-2007, 11:19 AM

If you're referring to the PCs hanging over the pump, then that's why Ben used a piece of Styrofoam to hold them apart (you can see it in the pictures). You could use anything you wanted to. The design is actually fairly strong on its own, but some parts might snap off if you dropped it. But not because the water gun is weak - but because there's so much water inside the PCs. A stock water gun would also snap if it could carry that much water (which it can't).

Still, with homemades, it's generally a good idea to support the parts. Different elements that are flush against each other (like the two PCs) can be duct taped, and other parts can be duct taped to wood, Styrofoam, or tubing.

Ben · 06-19-2007, 12:42 PM

The only part that's under stress is the handle area if you don't put a support in. And I've made the nozzle area and the end of the pump touch before without any problems. I wouldn't worry about something buckling under it's own weight. The PVC is very strong for this purpose.

The only time I have ever had any PVC piece break, it was a male threaded adaptor and it broke because it was dropped directly on that part.

JLspacemarine · 06-19-2007, 12:59 PM

Am I the only one who noticed that the picture of the cps 2000 mk1 was took from SSC's review section of the cps 2000? Maybe the actual item sold isn't really a mk1...... or not a 2000 at all.

totokan · 06-19-2007, 01:01 PM

Ah, Ok. Thanks, guys. So I'll duct tape a piece of 2" pipe in the gap.
EDIT: Yeah, the 2000 is over, I didn't bid on it. The one I use now, my neighbors, I might be able to buy it soon enough. For $75, nonetheless.
Not advertised as it, but it's a fake CPS 1000

06-18-2007, 10:31 AM	#1
totokan Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Staten Island, New York Posts: 55 UserID: 1166	ebay confusion Well, today I went ebay hunting for a good gun. Two cps 2000's are on, one is not a cps 2000 (it's a 2500), the other's a mark one. Mk I Worth it or not? 2000 2500

06-18-2007, 12:56 PM	#2
C-A_99 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MI, US Posts: 471 UserID: 809	Wait for the CPS 2500 as it's still got 6 days left. For the mk I, it usually goes up to $200 to $300, but what it's currently at is still some money, but a good deal compared to how high it usually goes up. If you think it's worth it, go for it. Personally, I would look for other guns and/or look into homemades. __________________ http://hbww.fateback.com/index.html Website w/ info on teams, armory, etc.

06-19-2007, 12:16 AM	#4
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,315 UserID: 576	Homemades are the most rock-solid types of water guns around. Reliability and durability are one of the reasons people build homemade water guns. The only real trouble I can think of is that it's sometimes a struggle to make a pump that seals well at higher pressures. But those pressures are above those of regular water guns anyway, and the flow is greater, so performance is incredible. There's still something to be said for the convenience and ergonomics of commercial water guns, though. __________________ Forum rules

06-19-2007, 07:34 AM	#5
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,086 UserID: 1	A major misconception made by some is that homemade water guns are more fragile than manufactured ones. The truth is the other way around. If you make your water gun from PVC and care about the outcome, I have no doubt that your homemade version will last longer than any manufactured one. Homemade water guns are made from pressure rated materials rated at much higher pressures than what the manufactured water guns are rated at, so they are much more durable. Whenever I buy a manufactured water gun, I always worry about not being too hard with it as to not break it. I've found that most of the special care I took for manufactured water guns was unnecessary in the ones I built. You have to realize they make their products with a specific lifetime that usually isn't very long, so you have to go out and buy another product eventually. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

06-19-2007, 11:19 AM	#7
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,315 UserID: 576	If you're referring to the PCs hanging over the pump, then that's why Ben used a piece of Styrofoam to hold them apart (you can see it in the pictures). You could use anything you wanted to. The design is actually fairly strong on its own, but some parts might snap off if you dropped it. But not because the water gun is weak - but because there's so much water inside the PCs. A stock water gun would also snap if it could carry that much water (which it can't). Still, with homemades, it's generally a good idea to support the parts. Different elements that are flush against each other (like the two PCs) can be duct taped, and other parts can be duct taped to wood, Styrofoam, or tubing. __________________ Forum rules

06-18-2007, 01:37 PM	#3
totokan Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Staten Island, New York Posts: 55 UserID: 1166	Yeah, I know one is going for a long time. I'm making an APH and than a CPH this summer, too. But I want something less "fragile" than a homemade, i guess.

06-19-2007, 08:35 AM	#6
totokan Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Staten Island, New York Posts: 55 UserID: 1166	The design of the APH makes it seem like it would buckle under its own weight, or that's what my dad thinks.

06-19-2007, 12:42 PM	#8
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,086 UserID: 1	The only part that's under stress is the handle area if you don't put a support in. And I've made the nozzle area and the end of the pump touch before without any problems. I wouldn't worry about something buckling under it's own weight. The PVC is very strong for this purpose. The only time I have ever had any PVC piece break, it was a male threaded adaptor and it broke because it was dropped directly on that part. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

06-19-2007, 12:59 PM	#9
JLspacemarine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Québec, Canada Posts: 105 UserID: 752	Am I the only one who noticed that the picture of the cps 2000 mk1 was took from SSC's review section of the cps 2000? Maybe the actual item sold isn't really a mk1...... or not a 2000 at all. __________________ Armory: AS Hydroblitz (x2), MI FlashFlood, STE TripleShot, XP Backfire, XP 215, XP 105, XXP 175, Big Bottle BLaster(x2), SC Power Pak, SpeedLoader1000, SpeedLoader 1500, SpeedLoader Double-Cross 3000, CPS Splashzooka (x2), CPS 1200, CPS 1500, CPS 2000 Mk2, CPS 2100

06-19-2007, 01:01 PM	#10
totokan Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Staten Island, New York Posts: 55 UserID: 1166	Ah, Ok. Thanks, guys. So I'll duct tape a piece of 2" pipe in the gap. EDIT: Yeah, the 2000 is over, I didn't bid on it. The one I use now, my neighbors, I might be able to buy it soon enough. For $75, nonetheless. Not advertised as it, but it's a fake CPS 1000 Last edited by totokan : 06-19-2007 at 01:09 PM.

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