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totokan · 06-04-2007, 04:29 PM

After looking at the balloon PC/XPS mod, wouldn't applying the same idea to the Air Pressure Homemade create a Constant Pressure Homemade?

Ben · 06-04-2007, 07:08 PM

You couldn't apply the same idea to the APH. You can only fit balloons into the chamber of XP water guns due to the seals they put in--they are not permanent, solid seals. The APH in contrast is solid pipe all around.

Even if you could, it wouldn't be a good idea. The XPS modification only makes the stream somewhat more constant at the sacrifice of PC capacity. The balloons needed to do it also pop often. It's not a good idea. I intend to remove that modification in the next website update.

The best way to create a CPH is to use latex rubber tubing. It's cheap, readily available, easy to work with, and performs great! I wouldn't suggest anything else.

totokan · 06-04-2007, 07:57 PM

Yeah, I know that. I was just wondering if that idea could be applied in the same way. I guess not. If that mod (xps) is unreliable, how is it less reliable than a k-mod? They both seem to use balloons to increase pressure...

Ben · 06-04-2007, 09:45 PM

They are similar, but there are several major differences. The K-modded bladder is not sealed inside of an air chamber. That allows the bladder to actually exert constant pressure because there is no drop in air pressure. The air pressure also seems to damage the balloons in the XPS modification. The central bladder when K-modding is much more solid than a single balloon. A single balloon pops a lot more easy. Another difference is in the space left for expansion. K-modded water guns have a lot more space for expansion. XPSed water guns have nearly none because they weren't design to have rubber expand there. The K-mod obviously is very different.

totokan · 06-04-2007, 09:55 PM

Ah, ok. I didn't realize the PC was so much weaker, but now that I think about it, it is a lot weaker.

The Stealthy Panda · 06-09-2007, 03:51 PM

This made me realize something. If you XPS a gun, shouldn't you drill a hole in the side of the PC to release the stupid and unreliable air pressure that would build up otherwise?

Silence · 06-09-2007, 06:45 PM

You simply can't get enough power from the balloons themselves. The PC isn't designed to take 50-100 balloons (you wouldn't even be able to slide the PC on).

Regardless, even if you could justify drilling a hole, that could prevent you from reverting to the original setup. Not that other mods aren't permanent either.

06-04-2007, 04:29 PM	#1
totokan Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Staten Island, New York Posts: 55 UserID: 1166	APH + XPS Mod= CPH? After looking at the balloon PC/XPS mod, wouldn't applying the same idea to the Air Pressure Homemade create a Constant Pressure Homemade?

06-04-2007, 07:08 PM	#2
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	You couldn't apply the same idea to the APH. You can only fit balloons into the chamber of XP water guns due to the seals they put in--they are not permanent, solid seals. The APH in contrast is solid pipe all around. Even if you could, it wouldn't be a good idea. The XPS modification only makes the stream somewhat more constant at the sacrifice of PC capacity. The balloons needed to do it also pop often. It's not a good idea. I intend to remove that modification in the next website update. The best way to create a CPH is to use latex rubber tubing. It's cheap, readily available, easy to work with, and performs great! I wouldn't suggest anything else. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

06-04-2007, 09:45 PM	#4
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	They are similar, but there are several major differences. The K-modded bladder is not sealed inside of an air chamber. That allows the bladder to actually exert constant pressure because there is no drop in air pressure. The air pressure also seems to damage the balloons in the XPS modification. The central bladder when K-modding is much more solid than a single balloon. A single balloon pops a lot more easy. Another difference is in the space left for expansion. K-modded water guns have a lot more space for expansion. XPSed water guns have nearly none because they weren't design to have rubber expand there. The K-mod obviously is very different. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

06-09-2007, 03:51 PM	#6
The Stealthy Panda Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Northampton Posts: 88 UserID: 1033	This made me realize something. If you XPS a gun, shouldn't you drill a hole in the side of the PC to release the stupid and unreliable air pressure that would build up otherwise? __________________ Hail Reeen! (Reeen is not a typo)

06-09-2007, 06:45 PM	#7
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,293 UserID: 576	You simply can't get enough power from the balloons themselves. The PC isn't designed to take 50-100 balloons (you wouldn't even be able to slide the PC on). Regardless, even if you could justify drilling a hole, that could prevent you from reverting to the original setup. Not that other mods aren't permanent either. __________________ Forum rules

06-04-2007, 07:57 PM	#3
totokan Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Staten Island, New York Posts: 55 UserID: 1166	Yeah, I know that. I was just wondering if that idea could be applied in the same way. I guess not. If that mod (xps) is unreliable, how is it less reliable than a k-mod? They both seem to use balloons to increase pressure...

06-04-2007, 09:55 PM	#5
totokan Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Staten Island, New York Posts: 55 UserID: 1166	Ah, ok. I didn't realize the PC was so much weaker, but now that I think about it, it is a lot weaker.

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