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mr. dude · 06-27-2006, 04:19 PM

Though the original APH idea does have great range, could that not be increased? My idea involves a more laminar flow for the water to go through. This is accomplished by having the pressure chamber be part of the gun rather than a bulb sticking out of it. I have provided a picture for a little clarification:

Basically, my idea is making one PC rather than the original two, and having it line up with the ball valve. To make this, start off like you would any separate PC homemade, and just attach the PC directly to the check valve instead of attaching it to a tee leading to the check valve. This should give the stream a more laminar flow than the original APH design.
I have yet to try this, but I'll probably do it on my current APH (I need to return the PC's anyway).

joannaardway · 06-27-2006, 04:33 PM

This idea has already been dismissed. APH PCs work best in an upright fashion, as a "bulb" off the side.

Water goes to the bottom of the chamber.

Point that up at 45 degrees - what will happen? - you'll shoot only air.

Running pipes/hoses along the chamber will not really work very well (and will prevent shooting down), so I would look for a new idea, rather than trying to salvage this one.

What do you mean "I need to return the PCs"?

Drenchenator · 06-27-2006, 04:39 PM

I am sorry, but your idea will not work. Though you are correct about increasing laminar flow by allowing "linear" flow to the trigger valve, you forgot one thing. The "bulbs" have to exist because the air rises while the water sinks. In your idea, the air would push some of the water out, but they just escape once an unobstructed path is made. It you angle this gun up to shoot it, it would not even shoot any water, only air would come out.

If you really wanted to improve this design, you probably should build an air piston homemade. The piston would separate the water and air, so you would not have to worry about them mixing. I could try to provide a diagram of this if you need one. At the moment, I can not create one, but I could make a diagram later if needed.

mr. dude · 06-27-2006, 04:42 PM

Thank you for bringing that idea up, it never occured to me until now.
To fix this, a precharger-type thing could be used, so the air and water wouldn't be merged.
Click here for the topic in which I described my progress on my homemade, to explain "I need to return the PC's". My homemade hasn't changed since my last post on that topic.
EDIT: I didn't see Drenchenator's post.

mr. dude · 09-08-2006, 07:04 PM

I think I might try to build it like a precharger. as i have never seen any overly large o-rings, is it worth it to use a 1" PC or should I stick with a normal APH? (remembering that I can't buy anything from mcmaster carr)

Ben · 09-08-2006, 07:49 PM

Stick with a normal design. With 1 inch PVC you won't get anywhere near as much force for the same pressure. It simply would get far worse range. A good design is worth the effort, but you need a lot of force still to do anything.

Silence · 09-09-2006, 06:28 PM

Technically, building a PCgH using a plastic bag of sorts instead of a piston would be far more practical for obvious reasons--weight, simplicity, less wasted space, price and effort, etc. However, because the useful area of the bag increases as you pump and it gets filled, then there will be a ton of dropoff since a lot of force will be imparted.

Ben · 09-10-2006, 08:31 AM

Believe me, any bag you make will pop. That's like pushing a plastic bag against a wall. You will need a thicker chamber to do that, and at that point it would be easier to just use the piston that everyone else uses.

CROC · 09-10-2006, 11:25 AM

I am saying this on behalf of mr.dude:
I am sticking with a normal large PC APH.

mr. dude · 09-14-2006, 08:05 PM

I did tell Croc to write that for me, as I was unable to have access to a computer recently, and I am wondering why this topic is starting to die...
Is it a lack of interest, or is it because everything has been discussed?

Silence · 09-14-2006, 10:06 PM

No more infusion of ideas + discussion having time to be completed = loss of interest. Any new ideas? We've already discussed the problem of a horizontal PC, and the possible solution of a PCgH or a CPH. What are you going to use? Or are you going to see how CROC's CPH Array Gun (my temporary name until he provides one) does?

06-27-2006, 04:19 PM	#1
mr. dude Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 127 UserID: 572	Sniper rifle homemade Though the original APH idea does have great range, could that not be increased? My idea involves a more laminar flow for the water to go through. This is accomplished by having the pressure chamber be part of the gun rather than a bulb sticking out of it. I have provided a picture for a little clarification: Basically, my idea is making one PC rather than the original two, and having it line up with the ball valve. To make this, start off like you would any separate PC homemade, and just attach the PC directly to the check valve instead of attaching it to a tee leading to the check valve. This should give the stream a more laminar flow than the original APH design. I have yet to try this, but I'll probably do it on my current APH (I need to return the PC's anyway).

06-27-2006, 04:33 PM	#2
joannaardway Do not adjust your TV set Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SW Hertfordshire, England Posts: 875 UserID: 549	This idea has already been dismissed. APH PCs work best in an upright fashion, as a "bulb" off the side. Water goes to the bottom of the chamber. Point that up at 45 degrees - what will happen? - you'll shoot only air. Running pipes/hoses along the chamber will not really work very well (and will prevent shooting down), so I would look for a new idea, rather than trying to salvage this one. What do you mean "I need to return the PCs"? __________________ "Over the hills and far away, she prays he will return one day. As sure as the rivers reach the seas, back in his arms again she'll be." - Over the Hills and far away, Gary Moore "So many people have come and gone, their faces fade as the years go by. Yet I still recall as I wander on, as clear as the sun in the summer sky" - More than a feeling, Boston

06-27-2006, 04:39 PM	#3
Drenchenator Administrator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 715 UserID: 320	I am sorry, but your idea will not work. Though you are correct about increasing laminar flow by allowing "linear" flow to the trigger valve, you forgot one thing. The "bulbs" have to exist because the air rises while the water sinks. In your idea, the air would push some of the water out, but they just escape once an unobstructed path is made. It you angle this gun up to shoot it, it would not even shoot any water, only air would come out. If you really wanted to improve this design, you probably should build an air piston homemade. The piston would separate the water and air, so you would not have to worry about them mixing. I could try to provide a diagram of this if you need one. At the moment, I can not create one, but I could make a diagram later if needed. __________________ The Drenchenator, also known as Lt. Col. Drench.

09-08-2006, 07:49 PM	#6
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,985 UserID: 1	Stick with a normal design. With 1 inch PVC you won't get anywhere near as much force for the same pressure. It simply would get far worse range. A good design is worth the effort, but you need a lot of force still to do anything. __________________ email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas. Do not send me a PM or email about reading a certain post unless it's been a few days since you've posted. I try to read every post.

09-09-2006, 06:28 PM	#7
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,251 UserID: 576	Technically, building a PCgH using a plastic bag of sorts instead of a piston would be far more practical for obvious reasons--weight, simplicity, less wasted space, price and effort, etc. However, because the useful area of the bag increases as you pump and it gets filled, then there will be a ton of dropoff since a lot of force will be imparted. __________________ Forum Rules

06-27-2006, 04:42 PM	#4
mr. dude Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 127 UserID: 572	Thank you for bringing that idea up, it never occured to me until now. To fix this, a precharger-type thing could be used, so the air and water wouldn't be merged. Click here for the topic in which I described my progress on my homemade, to explain "I need to return the PC's". My homemade hasn't changed since my last post on that topic. EDIT: I didn't see Drenchenator's post.

09-08-2006, 07:04 PM	#5
mr. dude Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 127 UserID: 572	I think I might try to build it like a precharger. as i have never seen any overly large o-rings, is it worth it to use a 1" PC or should I stick with a normal APH? (remembering that I can't buy anything from mcmaster carr)

09-10-2006, 08:31 AM	#8
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,985 UserID: 1	Believe me, any bag you make will pop. That's like pushing a plastic bag against a wall. You will need a thicker chamber to do that, and at that point it would be easier to just use the piston that everyone else uses. __________________ email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas. Do not send me a PM or email about reading a certain post unless it's been a few days since you've posted. I try to read every post.

09-10-2006, 11:25 AM	#9
CROC Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada (GTA) Posts: 288 UserID: 569	I am saying this on behalf of mr.dude: I am sticking with a normal large PC APH. __________________ ~CROC~(c 'rock)n. -The master of ideas, and the occasional mod (Works with mr. dude) Mods: 3xA combat - CPS Turbine - Super Flash Flood - (working on CPH)

09-14-2006, 08:05 PM	#10
mr. dude Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 127 UserID: 572	I did tell Croc to write that for me, as I was unable to have access to a computer recently, and I am wondering why this topic is starting to die... Is it a lack of interest, or is it because everything has been discussed?

09-14-2006, 10:06 PM	#11
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,251 UserID: 576	No more infusion of ideas + discussion having time to be completed = loss of interest. Any new ideas? We've already discussed the problem of a horizontal PC, and the possible solution of a PCgH or a CPH. What are you going to use? Or are you going to see how CROC's CPH Array Gun (my temporary name until he provides one) does? __________________ Forum Rules

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