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blub man · 05-09-2006, 04:58 PM

I have a storm er, 600, i think (the label got washed off ages ago), and the pump has worn down and is leaking very badly. I have another storm which is better (typhoon force 2), so i do't mind if it can't be fixed, but can i use the parts to make anything fun or can it be fixed.

Please help!

Blub man

Ben · 05-09-2006, 05:03 PM

Welcome to Super Soaker Central. I've moved your thread to the appropriate forum.

Before I can help you better, we'll need a few questions answered, as outlined in this thread: http://forums.sscentral.org/t2227/

To me, this sounds like a problem that could be as simple as an O-ring being out of place. I can't determine that from a simple description however. Please open up your Storm 600 and take a picture of the internals, especially around the problem area. Opening your water gun might even help you identify the problem yourself - it could be obvious the minute you opened.

So get back to us with some more information, and I'm sure we could help.

blub man · 05-09-2006, 05:21 PM

The main problem is that the pump can't gain ANY presure. I think this is because the pump has worn down and is leaking. I have just dug it out afer the winter and have had to make a replacement trigger, i was just testing it once and all i noticed was the tank wouldn't presurize. I have opened it and im pretty shure the problem is in the pump. Its quite old, about 4 years, so i thought it had just worn down. Im not sure about the model, but its definetly a storm about the same size as a 600. I did realise the pump was getting harder and harder to pump right up untill it stopped working.

Blub man

Ben · 05-09-2006, 05:37 PM

This could be one of three things from what I am seeing:

1) the pump's seal is not on correctly
2) the reservoir cap is no attached tight enough
3) one or more of the valves are broken

Judging by your saying that the pump was getting harder until it no longer functioned, I would say that the most likely problem would be the pump's seal becoming detached. Open up your Storm 600 and see what's going on in there. Remove the pump and take a look at the end where the seal is. If the seal is detached, reattach it (it should just need to slide back on). If the seal is attached, the pump likely is not the problem, so report back here.

blub man · 05-09-2006, 05:43 PM

thanks for the advise, i think its definetly the pump seal, although i can't see anyhting has come lose.

joannaardway · 05-10-2006, 03:03 AM

Hmm. I don't really know my storm guns.

However, my rearch says this is a PR gun, so it might be possible to adjust it to use a bike valve. It wouldn't be as practical as the original pump, but would allow higher pressures...

CROC · 05-10-2006, 06:47 AM

I had this exact same problem with a Nerf gun. The problem is the O-ring slides way to easily and therefore cannot build any pressure. You need to take out the pump, get off the O-ring and replace it with a new one of the same inner diameter.

joannaardway · 05-10-2006, 10:32 AM

You should also consider outer diameter.

@ blubman: As a quick note, "Help please" was not the best choice of topic title.

blub man · 05-11-2006, 02:08 PM

Yay. I fixed the problem, The orings had worn down slightly, but instead of replacing them i tryed using some sylicon lubricant grease. THIS SUFF IS AMAZING. It was working better than normal about 5 minutes later. I recomend buying this because its really useful for everything.

Silence · 05-13-2006, 02:57 PM

So exactly what happened? Did the lubricant create a better seal by filling in the tiny openings in the seal, or what? Maybe this should be transferred to Physics or Homemades now

...

blub man · 05-13-2006, 05:20 PM

basically yes, it filled the gaps between the seals and the shaft aswell as lubricating them.

Silence · 05-13-2006, 06:23 PM

Well, that's what lubrication really does--it fills in any microscopic crevices which would otherwise cause excessive friction, giving you a smooth, free-gliding surface. I just wanted to know whether it could actually seal off the holes that may have gone through the rubber--and in another thread, I noticed you said that you layered it on thick. Thanks for the information, though.

joannaardway · 05-14-2006, 11:04 AM

@ blub man (and as a general note to others): Changing the title of the original post will not change the thread name - I believe that only moderators can do that. If you want to change the title, leave a friendly note to a moderator.

Silence · 05-14-2006, 03:09 PM

Well, either some moderator changed the thread title, or changing the first post's title does change that of the thread. I'm assuming the former is the case, as joannaardway didn't notice the title's difference. Actually, as the problem appears to be fixed, this doesn't really matter any more...

I just don't see the need to have two or three topics that just talk about the apparent superiority of silicon lubricant. I think a thread merge is in order...and anyway, that increases the chance that this thread won't die so quickly...

EDIT: In Duxburian's ITWC thread, the title still says "Water Launchers," but he tried changing it by editing the first post's title to read, "Water Cannons (formerly called Launchers)." Clearly, that didn't work for him.

joannaardway · 05-15-2006, 08:03 AM

I did the change myself through the mod toolbar. I merely made the change, and then told people so that they were aware of the inability to change it like that. If you check - the titles are slightly different...

I'll merge the topics later. I have an A-level exam in a little while.

05-09-2006, 04:58 PM	#1
blub man Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: UK Posts: 33 UserID: 615	Storm gun broken - please help. I have a storm er, 600, i think (the label got washed off ages ago), and the pump has worn down and is leaking very badly. I have another storm which is better (typhoon force 2), so i do't mind if it can't be fixed, but can i use the parts to make anything fun or can it be fixed. Please help! Blub man Last edited by blub man : 05-09-2006 at 05:04 PM.

05-09-2006, 05:03 PM	#2
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,042 UserID: 1	Welcome to Super Soaker Central. I've moved your thread to the appropriate forum. Before I can help you better, we'll need a few questions answered, as outlined in this thread: http://forums.sscentral.org/t2227/ To me, this sounds like a problem that could be as simple as an O-ring being out of place. I can't determine that from a simple description however. Please open up your Storm 600 and take a picture of the internals, especially around the problem area. Opening your water gun might even help you identify the problem yourself - it could be obvious the minute you opened. So get back to us with some more information, and I'm sure we could help. __________________ Note: I am busy so if I am slow to respond, be patient. email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

05-09-2006, 05:21 PM	#3
blub man Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: UK Posts: 33 UserID: 615	Thanks for the quick reply The main problem is that the pump can't gain ANY presure. I think this is because the pump has worn down and is leaking. I have just dug it out afer the winter and have had to make a replacement trigger, i was just testing it once and all i noticed was the tank wouldn't presurize. I have opened it and im pretty shure the problem is in the pump. Its quite old, about 4 years, so i thought it had just worn down. Im not sure about the model, but its definetly a storm about the same size as a 600. I did realise the pump was getting harder and harder to pump right up untill it stopped working. Blub man

05-09-2006, 05:37 PM	#4
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,042 UserID: 1	This could be one of three things from what I am seeing: 1) the pump's seal is not on correctly 2) the reservoir cap is no attached tight enough 3) one or more of the valves are broken Judging by your saying that the pump was getting harder until it no longer functioned, I would say that the most likely problem would be the pump's seal becoming detached. Open up your Storm 600 and see what's going on in there. Remove the pump and take a look at the end where the seal is. If the seal is detached, reattach it (it should just need to slide back on). If the seal is attached, the pump likely is not the problem, so report back here. __________________ Note: I am busy so if I am slow to respond, be patient. email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

05-09-2006, 05:43 PM	#5
blub man Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: UK Posts: 33 UserID: 615	thanx thanks for the advise, i think its definetly the pump seal, although i can't see anyhting has come lose.

05-10-2006, 03:03 AM	#6
joannaardway Do not adjust your TV set Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SW Hertfordshire, England Posts: 875 UserID: 549	Hmm. I don't really know my storm guns. However, my rearch says this is a PR gun, so it might be possible to adjust it to use a bike valve. It wouldn't be as practical as the original pump, but would allow higher pressures... __________________ "Over the hills and far away, she prays he will return one day. As sure as the rivers reach the seas, back in his arms again she'll be." - Over the Hills and far away, Gary Moore "So many people have come and gone, their faces fade as the years go by. Yet I still recall as I wander on, as clear as the sun in the summer sky" - More than a feeling, Boston

05-10-2006, 06:47 AM	#7
CROC Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada (GTA) Posts: 291 UserID: 569	I had this exact same problem with a Nerf gun. The problem is the O-ring slides way to easily and therefore cannot build any pressure. You need to take out the pump, get off the O-ring and replace it with a new one of the same inner diameter. __________________ ~CROC~(c 'rock)n. -The master of ideas, and the occasional mod (Works with mr. dude) Mods: 3xA combat - CPS Turbine - Super Flash Flood - (working on CPH)

05-10-2006, 10:32 AM	#8
joannaardway Do not adjust your TV set Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SW Hertfordshire, England Posts: 875 UserID: 549	You should also consider outer diameter. @ blubman: As a quick note, "Help please" was not the best choice of topic title. __________________ "Over the hills and far away, she prays he will return one day. As sure as the rivers reach the seas, back in his arms again she'll be." - Over the Hills and far away, Gary Moore "So many people have come and gone, their faces fade as the years go by. Yet I still recall as I wander on, as clear as the sun in the summer sky" - More than a feeling, Boston

05-11-2006, 02:08 PM	#9
blub man Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: UK Posts: 33 UserID: 615	Fixed Yay. I fixed the problem, The orings had worn down slightly, but instead of replacing them i tryed using some sylicon lubricant grease. THIS SUFF IS AMAZING. It was working better than normal about 5 minutes later. I recomend buying this because its really useful for everything. __________________ Who cares what temperature it is...GET SOAKED TODAY Blub man

05-13-2006, 02:57 PM	#10
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,285 UserID: 576	So exactly what happened? Did the lubricant create a better seal by filling in the tiny openings in the seal, or what? Maybe this should be transferred to Physics or Homemades now ... __________________ Forum rules

05-13-2006, 05:20 PM	#11
blub man Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: UK Posts: 33 UserID: 615	basically yes, it filled the gaps between the seals and the shaft aswell as lubricating them. __________________ Who cares what temperature it is...GET SOAKED TODAY Blub man

05-13-2006, 06:23 PM	#12
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,285 UserID: 576	Well, that's what lubrication really does--it fills in any microscopic crevices which would otherwise cause excessive friction, giving you a smooth, free-gliding surface. I just wanted to know whether it could actually seal off the holes that may have gone through the rubber--and in another thread, I noticed you said that you layered it on thick. Thanks for the information, though. __________________ Forum rules

05-14-2006, 11:04 AM	#13
joannaardway Do not adjust your TV set Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SW Hertfordshire, England Posts: 875 UserID: 549	@ blub man (and as a general note to others): Changing the title of the original post will not change the thread name - I believe that only moderators can do that. If you want to change the title, leave a friendly note to a moderator. __________________ "Over the hills and far away, she prays he will return one day. As sure as the rivers reach the seas, back in his arms again she'll be." - Over the Hills and far away, Gary Moore "So many people have come and gone, their faces fade as the years go by. Yet I still recall as I wander on, as clear as the sun in the summer sky" - More than a feeling, Boston

05-14-2006, 03:09 PM	#14
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,285 UserID: 576	Well, either some moderator changed the thread title, or changing the first post's title does change that of the thread. I'm assuming the former is the case, as joannaardway didn't notice the title's difference. Actually, as the problem appears to be fixed, this doesn't really matter any more... I just don't see the need to have two or three topics that just talk about the apparent superiority of silicon lubricant. I think a thread merge is in order...and anyway, that increases the chance that this thread won't die so quickly... EDIT: In Duxburian's ITWC thread, the title still says "Water Launchers," but he tried changing it by editing the first post's title to read, "Water Cannons (formerly called Launchers)." Clearly, that didn't work for him. __________________ Forum rules Last edited by Silence : 05-14-2006 at 03:20 PM.

05-15-2006, 08:03 AM	#15
joannaardway Do not adjust your TV set Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SW Hertfordshire, England Posts: 875 UserID: 549	I did the change myself through the mod toolbar. I merely made the change, and then told people so that they were aware of the inability to change it like that. If you check - the titles are slightly different... I'll merge the topics later. I have an A-level exam in a little while. __________________ "Over the hills and far away, she prays he will return one day. As sure as the rivers reach the seas, back in his arms again she'll be." - Over the Hills and far away, Gary Moore "So many people have come and gone, their faces fade as the years go by. Yet I still recall as I wander on, as clear as the sun in the summer sky" - More than a feeling, Boston

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