Water Launchers

[m15399]

Ah, but you're forgeting the SUWC (sideways u) and the MS SUWC!

What's an MT? I seem to have missed it.

[DX]

Then there could technically be a BLWC/MS BLWC as well [backwards-L].

Ok, so there's either going to be 3 terms for the same kind of gun, or they are going to be condensed into one more general term, like APWC [air pressure] or something. Since the other water cannons use piston or precharging tech, calling it the air-pressure water cannon would actually work. I think it would be best to call it one thing, and let variations of it be variations rather than have whole new acronyms. I bet some users are quite tired of so many confusing letters. Although that brings back the whole thing about cannon vs launcher, since the APOL and APWL would go nicely together [APOL = alternate name for Douchenator]. Object launcher and water launcher makes more sense. It's just the thing I hate about "water cannon" is that people use that term to describe any large or powerful water gun in general. When someone says "water cannon" there's a whole bunch of ways to picture what a "water cannon" is. However, since "water launcher" really has not been used before, it would be easier to picture that as a class of weaponry. Plus, [at least the air pressure one] launches water with the power/pressure of a water balloon launcher behind it. The only difference is what is being launched.

[Silence]

So, are you suggesting that we go back to the water launcher term? I wasn't particularly fond of water cannon--in fact, it is a somewhat poor and vague description even for any large soaker--but I could see the logic in it. However, especially with SEO, there is no need to have something that people can easily search for (with this popularity, anybody who just glances at SSC will hear about this launcher), and this is more unique. Also, consider the variations of the cannon/launcher disguised as a CPS 4100: (1) 41WC (water cannon can refer to either the stock CPS 4100 or the cannon/launcher version, so it's too vague), as proposed by Duxburian; (2) IT41 (though the IT part is now under revision, and a T would stick out too much in a CPS 4100, in my mind), as proposed by me; and possibly, now, (3) 41WL (possibly the best abbreviation). Of the three, the last is clearly the most appropriate, even if the term launcher isn't neccessary in APWL or ITWL.

Originally Posted by m15399

What's an MT? I seem to have missed it.

Well, of course you missed it, considering I only created the thread last night. I had conceived it earlier, and wrote part of the thread the day before, and I had even dropped hints yesterday, but Duxburian must have glanced at it as soon as it was posted. MT is my abbreviation, though not approved yet (feedback, anybody?), for the Mistthrower.

[DX]

You don't really need "approval" to give a unique gun an acronym, given that it is not currently in use. Let's see, I've made and/or used ITWC/ITWL/APWL/APWC/whatever, 41WL, APOL, APR, CPR, PPP, PCSI, and MS- for a multi-shot version of any of those. Well, then again, the stuff I make tends to have long names, such as Pressure Chamber Swapping Integration and if you want to go for an extreme example, Multi-Shot Hybrid Air Pressure Water Balloon Launcher.

While iSoaker and Ben prefer water cannon, I still have misgivings about such a vague and general term used commonly to refer to any powerful gun. Also, the APWL is unique among this new class of weapons since it has triple functionality as a water cannon/launcher, water balloon launcher, and Nerf gun. Something like the Super Cannon I/II fits the "water cannon" description quite well, but the APWL/ITWC/whatever is closely related to water balloon launchers and can go from "launching" water to launching objects with a simple change of barrel.

I've been typing "water cannon/launcher" until I hear more input from Ben or iSoaker.

EDIT: Caught a spelling error that I've never made before...

[wetmonkey442]

I may as well point out the common Aqua Warriors acronyms so they don't get snatched up. AWAC and AWAR are used to describe either Aqua Warriors Air Cannons, or Aqua Warriors Air Rifles. The design number and mk. are listed afterwards. An example would be the AWAC D3 M1, which is the water balloon launcher I'm currently using. On topic: As far as water launchers are concerned, it will be itneresting to see how thier devlopment will play out. Unfortunately the area of homemades, and especially new homemades is not pro-active in anyway. Without continued interest and support, this idea has a good chance of dying. We need to pop out a few more proto types and maybe shot blasts to garner a bit more interest in the topic.

[DX]

The idea of water launchers is not new. Ben's Super Cannon I might have been the first. When I came up with the ITWC/other acronyms, I was hooked into this new class of weapons which wasn't really promoted as such up until that point. Same thing for k-modding the "unmoddable gun." There were 21Ks before 2004, but Nibordude and I helped make that the most popular gun to mod ever. So I'm not concerned about water launchers/cannons dying out, I'm worried about slow decay/decline, like what happened to k-modding. You don't here about many guns with ks or extra 0s in their names anymore.

Once I get a new drill, the APWL/other acronyms will be done and shot for the camera. I'm pretty sure as to how it will perform, and that should help raise interest.

[Silence]

So basically, you're saying that the way you advertise new concepts has a profound effect on the popularity...and I can see exactly what you're saying. Looking at your history of this, I can predict that water cannons/launchers will recieve the same amount of respect as the Douchenator and the 21K have received. However, things like that may be beyond my own reach, and I still think the homemade store (it doesn't look like it's going to actually sell homemades any more) is the best bet for publicizing high-powered soakers.

[DX]

...To a certain extent. People get sick of hearing about something, but then they try it...and things change quickly if the idea is good. Happened with the 21K, the multi-nozzle mod, the 1100, the compact APH, the Douchenator, the bargain Ebay soaker, advanced tactics, ranks rather than positions, and now hopefully with water launchers/cannons. Duxburian support/input can be found in a lot of the things that are popular now. I used to promote good ideas rather than come up with them...but now I do that too. [Nibordude invented the Douchenator, the CPS 1100 which started PCSI, and k-modded my first 2100.] People tend to forget that!

Actually, some of the things I came up with were by partial accident via playing around with pipe and/or guns. Such as the PPP, the inverted-T, and the APWL. The rest were products of logic and reasoning, such as homemade tracked pumps, metal ball valves, APR guns, etc.

EDIT: Another argument against using "cannon": check out the title of this very board. "Homemade water cannon" by the definition would no longer be proper for this board name!

[joannaardway]

I think that the "Dictonary" thread should be updated with all these acronyms.

I haven't posted here yet. I haven't really seen need to - I can't add much, and I don't really intend on owning one of these...

However, there are things about these that interest me - I am reading it, don't worry.

[DX]

I just went out and bought a new drill! This means that I will finally be able to finish the APWL! I have to let the glue dry overnight, but it will be worth the wait. I may even get up early tomorrow morning to test it before school. The APWL will debut in this weekend's double war.

[Lightbulb41]

If you could have a standign resivoir and have a simple piston pump design with a check valve and a small wheel with a crank you effectively have a machine gun. The rotating disk would have a constent pulse gun effect. The only problem with this design is mobility and useability. It would be quite cumbersome to have a pulse that you have a rotating disk that you have left shoulder mounted and with your right be turning a crank. Of course there's electric guns.. (Not again )

[Silence]

@ Lightbulb41: This has been proposed before, and CRAZY Homemade recently had a thread about a giant soaker and a similar one about a giant turret soaker. Your method seems to be the type that shoots as you pump, so maybe you should have a type of stationary pedal system. Also, notice how the Shield Blaster that used a crank had horrible performance; and if you use tap shots, you won't need this system. However, if you are keen on continuing this project, create a new thread and I'll move these two posts there, as this is horribly irrelevant to APWLs. A PM or even a new thread would do.