Super Soaker Central

NiborDude · 04-01-2006, 10:42 PM

Okay, we just recently recruted a member who has the mark 1 CPS 2000 and had an interesting story to tell me. I asked him if he had any guns. Not knowing anything of the fabled story about the kid who shot his eye out with the CPS 2000, he told me about his something or other 2000 super soaker. He said he was out playing with it a while back. He shot it at a girls face from, what he said, was 20 feet away in the face. She went blind and had to go to the hospital. She eventually got her eye site back shortly after.

Even if the CPS 2000 super soaker could not shoot someone eye out, it could do some serious damage to the eyes. Let that be a lesson to everyone.

joannaardway · 04-02-2006, 06:13 AM

Well, shooting at the face is never appropriate - don't do it people!

I'm glad to hear there was no long term damage.

I still need a full-face shield to avoid that kind of trouble.

ZOCCOZ · 04-02-2006, 06:31 AM

Personaly I think that same damage could have been done with a hose or any 20X stream from that distance. Getting hit in the eyes with any foreign object can result in damaged vision.

On Jay Leno some teen actress from some show(I think it was the OC or something) mentioned that she got hit by a 2005 Super soaker and start crying for loosing her eye sight temporarly on a birthday party.

Ben · 04-02-2006, 10:35 AM

I would be more inclined to believe a highly concentrated stream would cause eye damage than anything else. So yes, a Liquidator or something could cause eye pain, but I doubt much more would be caused on that level of power. There's a reason water jet cutting uses highly concentrated streams of water.

The story sounds like a lie to me. Even when hit by a homemade water gun stream from 20 feet, not too much will happen. The key here is 20 feet - the stream has plenty of time to decelerate and break up. Any potential for damage has been eliminated. He obviously was either exaggerating of fabricating the entire story.

Silence · 04-09-2006, 10:21 PM

Ben, you pointed out that the stream would greatly lose velocity in 20 feet--but what if one squeezed the trigger until the PC was completely empty? Only the first part of the stream would be vastly affected by fluid air resistance--the rest would not lose much velocity, whether the distance would be 2 feet or 25 feet. A continuing torrent of water can cause serious damage.

Ben · 04-10-2006, 05:17 AM

Water is a fluid too. The slower front-end of the water stream will slow down the stream's velocity as well. That's what I believe is happening because I know for a fact that more powerful water gun's streams are weakened severly by fluid resistance, especially over a distance.

Silence · 04-14-2006, 07:51 PM

Ben, I understand the logic behind your argument, but there's still something that I don't understand. If the front end of the stream is slowing down, but the velocity at the nozzle is still large, then where will that extra velocity go? It seems as if there would just be a surge of force behind the first "wave" of water in the stream.

Note: I'm not in AP Physics yet, so there's probably a flaw in my argument somewhere. I'm not against constructive criticism

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CROC · 05-22-2006, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben

Water is a fluid too. The slower front-end of the water stream will slow down the stream's velocity as well. That's what I believe is happening because I know for a fact that more powerful water gun's streams are weakened severly by fluid resistance, especially over a distance.

So basically, what you are implying Ben, is that water guns worsen with age and/or extreme use

Spinner · 05-22-2006, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CROC

So basically, what you are implying Ben, is that water guns worsen with age and/or extreme use

I think he's actually referring to the resistance caused during over one shot of a blaster, not to decreased performance over months of usage.

SS_Stencil · 05-25-2006, 02:29 PM

That could be a reason why they don't make them any more.

Happy she didn't get blinded.

lilGhost · 06-30-2006, 06:45 PM

i was never old enough to hear about this cps 2000 stuff, my first water gun was a XP 510, i think. I would never had thought a cps could do that much damage, me and my bros just get body shots on each other.

Silence · 07-01-2006, 07:28 AM

Somewhat old thread, but oh well.

Yeah, I never even knew the CPS line existed! (though I had seen Monsters in this booklet thing) However, no gun is harmful when used with common sense--it's the user who is at fault if he point-blanks somebody in the eye.

And that's an XP 310, I believe...the "510" doesn't exist.

Ben · 07-01-2006, 07:50 AM

I've actually been thinking about testing and debunking this myth recently...

This is a myth. I'll buy a pigs head from the local butcher and try all sorts of things to damage the eyes if someone would like - a CPS 2000 type blast won't damage much. The CPS 2000 is not a pressure washer or water jet cutter. It won't feel good, but it won't pop your eye out. The CPS 2000 simply does not have enough power go get a lot of pressure at the nozzle, which is required for an eye-cutting or eye-damaging blast. That's a half inch hole if you didn't realize. Only water cannon type water guns will get that sort of power.

We could even put it all together in a MythBusters-style video. Or even better, we could get the MythBusters to do it.

Silence · 07-01-2006, 07:58 AM

Yup, we need a few suggestions on what we could have MythBusters test...I suggested drywall to Ben, but it doesn't seem nearly so I ampressive as a pig's head or something else. I found their myth suggestion forum, so we can submit something at some point.

Ben · 07-01-2006, 08:27 AM

I think we should try it first by ourselves and then submit later. Pig's heads should be relatively easy for me to obtain given there's a butcher less than half a mile from my house.

A pig's heads would be my primary choice because it's what MythBusters actually use when testing something on a head. Dryway would be way too strong too. I've tried marshmellows in the past, but I concluded that they were too dissimilar to eyes (even still, no damage appeared from my most powerful water gun at the time, my CPS 27000).

04-01-2006, 10:42 PM	#1
NiborDude Retired Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ridgewood, NJ Posts: 682 UserID: 131	CPS 2000 Legend Okay, we just recently recruted a member who has the mark 1 CPS 2000 and had an interesting story to tell me. I asked him if he had any guns. Not knowing anything of the fabled story about the kid who shot his eye out with the CPS 2000, he told me about his something or other 2000 super soaker. He said he was out playing with it a while back. He shot it at a girls face from, what he said, was 20 feet away in the face. She went blind and had to go to the hospital. She eventually got her eye site back shortly after. Even if the CPS 2000 super soaker could not shoot someone eye out, it could do some serious damage to the eyes. Let that be a lesson to everyone. __________________ <span style='color:EEF2F7'>Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes! -Leonardo Da Vinci

04-02-2006, 06:13 AM	#2
joannaardway Do not adjust your TV set Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SW Hertfordshire, England Posts: 875 UserID: 549	Well, shooting at the face is never appropriate - don't do it people! I'm glad to hear there was no long term damage. I still need a full-face shield to avoid that kind of trouble. __________________ "Over the hills and far away, she prays he will return one day. As sure as the rivers reach the seas, back in his arms again she'll be." - Over the Hills and far away, Gary Moore "So many people have come and gone, their faces fade as the years go by. Yet I still recall as I wander on, as clear as the sun in the summer sky" - More than a feeling, Boston

04-02-2006, 06:31 AM	#3
ZOCCOZ Water Gun Scholar/Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 331 UserID: 454	Personaly I think that same damage could have been done with a hose or any 20X stream from that distance. Getting hit in the eyes with any foreign object can result in damaged vision. On Jay Leno some teen actress from some show(I think it was the OC or something) mentioned that she got hit by a 2005 Super soaker and start crying for loosing her eye sight temporarly on a birthday party. __________________ POWERMASTERS Soaker Reviews & ZOCCOZ WaterGun Library

04-02-2006, 10:35 AM	#4
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,900 UserID: 1	I would be more inclined to believe a highly concentrated stream would cause eye damage than anything else. So yes, a Liquidator or something could cause eye pain, but I doubt much more would be caused on that level of power. There's a reason water jet cutting uses highly concentrated streams of water. The story sounds like a lie to me. Even when hit by a homemade water gun stream from 20 feet, not too much will happen. The key here is 20 feet - the stream has plenty of time to decelerate and break up. Any potential for damage has been eliminated. He obviously was either exaggerating of fabricating the entire story. __________________ email: ben at sscentral dot org Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email when the question could be answered by someone else. Post at the forums to save time. Someone else could answer your question before me, and the discussion on your question could be very helpful.

04-10-2006, 05:17 AM	#6
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,900 UserID: 1	Water is a fluid too. The slower front-end of the water stream will slow down the stream's velocity as well. That's what I believe is happening because I know for a fact that more powerful water gun's streams are weakened severly by fluid resistance, especially over a distance. __________________ email: ben at sscentral dot org Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email when the question could be answered by someone else. Post at the forums to save time. Someone else could answer your question before me, and the discussion on your question could be very helpful.

04-09-2006, 10:21 PM	#5
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,186 UserID: 576	Ben, you pointed out that the stream would greatly lose velocity in 20 feet--but what if one squeezed the trigger until the PC was completely empty? Only the first part of the stream would be vastly affected by fluid air resistance--the rest would not lose much velocity, whether the distance would be 2 feet or 25 feet. A continuing torrent of water can cause serious damage.

04-14-2006, 07:51 PM	#7
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,186 UserID: 576	Ben, I understand the logic behind your argument, but there's still something that I don't understand. If the front end of the stream is slowing down, but the velocity at the nozzle is still large, then where will that extra velocity go? It seems as if there would just be a surge of force behind the first "wave" of water in the stream. Note: I'm not in AP Physics yet, so there's probably a flaw in my argument somewhere. I'm not against constructive criticism ...

05-25-2006, 02:29 PM	#10
SS_Stencil Junior member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 UserID: 634	That could be a reason why they don't make them any more. Happy she didn't get blinded.

06-30-2006, 06:45 PM	#11
lilGhost Junior member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3 UserID: 747	i was never old enough to hear about this cps 2000 stuff, my first water gun was a XP 510, i think. I would never had thought a cps could do that much damage, me and my bros just get body shots on each other.

07-01-2006, 07:28 AM	#12
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,186 UserID: 576	Somewhat old thread, but oh well. Yeah, I never even knew the CPS line existed! (though I had seen Monsters in this booklet thing) However, no gun is harmful when used with common sense--it's the user who is at fault if he point-blanks somebody in the eye. And that's an XP 310, I believe...the "510" doesn't exist. __________________ Forum Rules

07-01-2006, 07:50 AM	#13
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,900 UserID: 1	I've actually been thinking about testing and debunking this myth recently... This is a myth. I'll buy a pigs head from the local butcher and try all sorts of things to damage the eyes if someone would like - a CPS 2000 type blast won't damage much. The CPS 2000 is not a pressure washer or water jet cutter. It won't feel good, but it won't pop your eye out. The CPS 2000 simply does not have enough power go get a lot of pressure at the nozzle, which is required for an eye-cutting or eye-damaging blast. That's a half inch hole if you didn't realize. Only water cannon type water guns will get that sort of power. We could even put it all together in a MythBusters-style video. Or even better, we could get the MythBusters to do it. __________________ email: ben at sscentral dot org Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email when the question could be answered by someone else. Post at the forums to save time. Someone else could answer your question before me, and the discussion on your question could be very helpful.

07-01-2006, 07:58 AM	#14
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,186 UserID: 576	Yup, we need a few suggestions on what we could have MythBusters test...I suggested drywall to Ben, but it doesn't seem nearly so I ampressive as a pig's head or something else. I found their myth suggestion forum, so we can submit something at some point. __________________ Forum Rules Last edited by Silence : 07-01-2006 at 08:10 AM.

07-01-2006, 08:27 AM	#15
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,900 UserID: 1	I think we should try it first by ourselves and then submit later. Pig's heads should be relatively easy for me to obtain given there's a butcher less than half a mile from my house. A pig's heads would be my primary choice because it's what MythBusters actually use when testing something on a head. Dryway would be way too strong too. I've tried marshmellows in the past, but I concluded that they were too dissimilar to eyes (even still, no damage appeared from my most powerful water gun at the time, my CPS 27000). __________________ email: ben at sscentral dot org Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email when the question could be answered by someone else. Post at the forums to save time. Someone else could answer your question before me, and the discussion on your question could be very helpful.

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