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ocusa · 03-13-2006, 07:25 AM

I recently saw a picture of the scorpion on isoaker.com. (http://www.isoaker.com/cgi-bin/Ikonb...70;hl=scorpion)

The idea of a powered soaker is one that really appeals to me. It mainly appeals to me as in my most recent water fight (April 2005(a long time i know!)) was with a bunch of little kids. Anyway, one of these little kids had a generic brand backpack soaker, with a piston pressure gun attached. He just didn't have the upper body strength to fire this thing far, and it was quickly removed from him by one of the older kids. I then gave him one of my generic air pressure soakers which he used for awhile with mild sucess before being stolen by one of the older kids again. A battery powered soaker would put him on more even terms with the rest of the kids, and generally I think he would have had more fun.

I was wondering if anyone had attempted a battery powered homemade soaker at some point. If so, I'd like to hear about it. Detailed specs and pictures would be an added bonus.

I searched the forums for "battery", "powered" and "electric" so if i missed it, let me know.

Also, I should post that full story as it happened during "Songkran". Anyone heard of it...? you hardcore water fight fans should know...

joannaardway · 03-13-2006, 11:56 AM

Battery powered soakers are generally very ineffective (maybe 20 ft range)

However the one on the isoaker thread will work differently - and will likely be hard to replicate.

Possibly someone might succeed with a Pressuized reservior soaker which used a battery powered tyre compressor, but that sort of thing would eat batteries.

Ben · 03-13-2006, 05:24 PM

You can easily "make" a battery-powered homemade water gun with a portable air pump. I've seen small ones that are powered by the car electrical outputs or batteries that can get over 100 PSI of pressure.

The problem would definitely be time to compress however. These water guns will take a long time to fully compress. It would be easy and far more worthwhile to simply use a pump or normal air compressor.

Even still, you could have a separate air tank in the style of constant air pressure. Yes, you will eventually have to refill it, but that would be after many many shots.

m15399 · 03-13-2006, 06:49 PM

You could also get a high torque motor and make it pump the soaker. Just put a big wheel on the shaft (of the motor) that has a rod attached near the edge (other end to the pump), so that when the wheel turns, the rod pushes/pulls the pump in and out. I'm looking for a pic of something like this on google...

kevinthenerd · 04-05-2006, 12:25 AM

If you can figure out some way to rig a deep-cycle marine battery in a backpack, you'd have a very high power, long-lasting source of energy. Get the electric motor out of an old trolling boat motor or something. (Car air compressors would be very slow, but for under $20 that'd be the cheapest way to do such a thing.)

Ben · 04-05-2006, 05:23 PM

I think that would be heavy as well, ruining any advantage created through the use of an electric pump in my mind. Might be good as a powerized-QFD system though! Someone needs to make a powerized-QFD system to support quick-filling of homemade water guns.

Silence · 04-09-2006, 11:04 PM

It's also probably a poor idea to use electricity as a supplement to arm pumping power, if that's what you were thinking of--once again, it's weak and complicated, introducing more weight (and removing space). Electric "soakers" were outclassed by Super Soakers' efficiency for a reason.

Ben · 04-10-2006, 06:07 AM

My "powerized-QFD" idea was a stationary filling station similar to the normal QFDs used by Super Soaker, except that the powerized version would be designed to get more power than just the hose allows. It's not to supplement hand pumping at all, in fact, it exists to eliminate it on a select few homemade water gun.

WaTer FigHt NoOb · 04-20-2006, 12:25 PM

Wow, electric water guns... just pump it... <sighs>

Silence · 04-20-2006, 06:35 PM

WaTer FigHt NoOb, were you supporting, opposing, or acting neutral with electric water guns? I hope you were opposing them

.

WaTer FigHt NoOb · 04-22-2006, 10:33 AM

When i say "just pump it" i mean why get a weak sause battery powered gun?

just get a normal gun and pump it! So yes i was opposing it.

Silence · 04-22-2006, 11:11 AM

Good, I hope so.

But I have been taunted by a few ideas of automatic pumping--air compressors, electric motors, and the like. The only reasonable alternative, because of its speed, is one that I came up with: at a station, a compressor or motor pressurizes a tank. When you hook up your reservoir (QFD) or PC gun (SC) and open the ball valve on your gun, the pressure equalizes instantly.

Of course, this works best if your station uses a tank, large or small (or CPS

) that can take high pressure; if the tank is too big, it will have low pressure, and your PC won't be pressurized enough. On the other hand, the tank will not lose too much of its own pressure. Solution: either the station or your homemade should use a CPS bladder, enabling maximum pressure

.

Somebody, please tell me where I should move this post; I don't think this is the best thread for it.

Ben · 04-22-2006, 06:18 PM

Create a new thread quoting the important posts initially if you'd like to start a thread on the concept of a QFD station. That's the easiest thing to do without shuffling around posts.

Silence · 04-22-2006, 11:05 PM

Okay, I'll create a new thread--I just don't want to clutter up the forums with excessive threads (but I can be paranoid about that).

@ everybody:
As far as my QFD idea is concerned, I would prefer you to post your comments about it in the new thread. Thanks!

03-13-2006, 07:25 AM	#1
ocusa Junior member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 4 UserID: 558	Battery powered homemade soakers I recently saw a picture of the scorpion on isoaker.com. (http://www.isoaker.com/cgi-bin/Ikonb...70;hl=scorpion) The idea of a powered soaker is one that really appeals to me. It mainly appeals to me as in my most recent water fight (April 2005(a long time i know!)) was with a bunch of little kids. Anyway, one of these little kids had a generic brand backpack soaker, with a piston pressure gun attached. He just didn't have the upper body strength to fire this thing far, and it was quickly removed from him by one of the older kids. I then gave him one of my generic air pressure soakers which he used for awhile with mild sucess before being stolen by one of the older kids again. A battery powered soaker would put him on more even terms with the rest of the kids, and generally I think he would have had more fun. I was wondering if anyone had attempted a battery powered homemade soaker at some point. If so, I'd like to hear about it. Detailed specs and pictures would be an added bonus. I searched the forums for "battery", "powered" and "electric" so if i missed it, let me know. Also, I should post that full story as it happened during "Songkran". Anyone heard of it...? you hardcore water fight fans should know... __________________ Doooooooooooooommmmmmooookkkkuuuuunnnnnnnnn!

03-13-2006, 11:56 AM	#2
joannaardway Do not adjust your TV set Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SW Hertfordshire, England Posts: 875 UserID: 549	Battery powered soakers are generally very ineffective (maybe 20 ft range) However the one on the isoaker thread will work differently - and will likely be hard to replicate. Possibly someone might succeed with a Pressuized reservior soaker which used a battery powered tyre compressor, but that sort of thing would eat batteries. __________________ "Over the hills and far away, she prays he will return one day. As sure as the rivers reach the seas, back in his arms again she'll be." - Over the Hills and far away, Gary Moore "So many people have come and gone, their faces fade as the years go by. Yet I still recall as I wander on, as clear as the sun in the summer sky" - More than a feeling, Boston

03-13-2006, 05:24 PM	#3
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,042 UserID: 1	You can easily "make" a battery-powered homemade water gun with a portable air pump. I've seen small ones that are powered by the car electrical outputs or batteries that can get over 100 PSI of pressure. The problem would definitely be time to compress however. These water guns will take a long time to fully compress. It would be easy and far more worthwhile to simply use a pump or normal air compressor. Even still, you could have a separate air tank in the style of constant air pressure. Yes, you will eventually have to refill it, but that would be after many many shots. __________________ Note: I am busy so if I am slow to respond, be patient. email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

04-05-2006, 05:23 PM	#6
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,042 UserID: 1	I think that would be heavy as well, ruining any advantage created through the use of an electric pump in my mind. Might be good as a powerized-QFD system though! Someone needs to make a powerized-QFD system to support quick-filling of homemade water guns. __________________ Note: I am busy so if I am slow to respond, be patient. email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

04-10-2006, 06:07 AM	#8
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,042 UserID: 1	My "powerized-QFD" idea was a stationary filling station similar to the normal QFDs used by Super Soaker, except that the powerized version would be designed to get more power than just the hose allows. It's not to supplement hand pumping at all, in fact, it exists to eliminate it on a select few homemade water gun. __________________ Note: I am busy so if I am slow to respond, be patient. email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

03-13-2006, 06:49 PM	#4
m15399 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 224 UserID: 495	You could also get a high torque motor and make it pump the soaker. Just put a big wheel on the shaft (of the motor) that has a rod attached near the edge (other end to the pump), so that when the wheel turns, the rod pushes/pulls the pump in and out. I'm looking for a pic of something like this on google...

04-05-2006, 12:25 AM	#5
kevinthenerd Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 22 UserID: 574	If you can figure out some way to rig a deep-cycle marine battery in a backpack, you'd have a very high power, long-lasting source of energy. Get the electric motor out of an old trolling boat motor or something. (Car air compressors would be very slow, but for under $20 that'd be the cheapest way to do such a thing.)

04-09-2006, 11:04 PM	#7
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,285 UserID: 576	It's also probably a poor idea to use electricity as a supplement to arm pumping power, if that's what you were thinking of--once again, it's weak and complicated, introducing more weight (and removing space). Electric "soakers" were outclassed by Super Soakers' efficiency for a reason.

04-20-2006, 12:25 PM	#9
WaTer FigHt NoOb Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: utah (US) Posts: 50 UserID: 590	Wow, electric water guns... just pump it... <sighs>

04-20-2006, 06:35 PM	#10
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,285 UserID: 576	WaTer FigHt NoOb, were you supporting, opposing, or acting neutral with electric water guns? I hope you were opposing them . __________________ Forum rules

04-22-2006, 10:33 AM	#11
WaTer FigHt NoOb Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: utah (US) Posts: 50 UserID: 590	When i say "just pump it" i mean why get a weak sause battery powered gun? just get a normal gun and pump it! So yes i was opposing it.

04-22-2006, 11:11 AM	#12
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,285 UserID: 576	Good, I hope so. But I have been taunted by a few ideas of automatic pumping--air compressors, electric motors, and the like. The only reasonable alternative, because of its speed, is one that I came up with: at a station, a compressor or motor pressurizes a tank. When you hook up your reservoir (QFD) or PC gun (SC) and open the ball valve on your gun, the pressure equalizes instantly. Of course, this works best if your station uses a tank, large or small (or CPS ) that can take high pressure; if the tank is too big, it will have low pressure, and your PC won't be pressurized enough. On the other hand, the tank will not lose too much of its own pressure. Solution: either the station or your homemade should use a CPS bladder, enabling maximum pressure . Somebody, please tell me where I should move this post; I don't think this is the best thread for it. __________________ Forum rules

04-22-2006, 06:18 PM	#13
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,042 UserID: 1	Create a new thread quoting the important posts initially if you'd like to start a thread on the concept of a QFD station. That's the easiest thing to do without shuffling around posts. __________________ Note: I am busy so if I am slow to respond, be patient. email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

04-22-2006, 11:05 PM	#14
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,285 UserID: 576	Okay, I'll create a new thread--I just don't want to clutter up the forums with excessive threads (but I can be paranoid about that). @ everybody: As far as my QFD idea is concerned, I would prefer you to post your comments about it in the new thread. Thanks! __________________ Forum rules

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