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newb · 11-09-2005, 07:33 PM

Hi I over presureised my monster XL. I was using the QFD, and I axcidentally filled it up to much. Now it acts as if the trigger is broken. Whenevery i pump, or whenever I use the QFD. the gun automatically shouts. This is a big problem. I fear that it is broken. I have taken it apart so far, and do not know what else to do at the moment. Can any one help me?

m15399 · 11-09-2005, 07:42 PM

Does everything look ok? Look carefully at the trigger valve and see if it's cracked or anything.

newb · 11-09-2005, 07:52 PM

There is a hole where the pressurization part is revealed, and i can see that if i pull the trigger it works perfectly fine. By the way where is the trigger valve?

there seems to be no leakage at all. I just tried using the QFD once again, and it has no real luck.

Ben · 11-09-2005, 08:09 PM

There is an article on our website titled Open Trigger Valve Repair in the Repairs section. The description says "How to fix that pesky problem of when your gun shoots while pumping." This sounds to be exactly what you are experiencing.

Also, you can easily see what the trigger valve is in another article on our website: http://www.sscentral.org/tech/articles/parts.php

I would very highly suggest checking our website before asking here! Nearly all of your questions are answered there. I don't mean to sound like a snob, but save everyone time by checking our website.

newb · 11-09-2005, 10:29 PM

Ben
I see. I have just recieve your letter, so now I am joining the posts.

I also tried the Open Trigger Valve Repair. It seems like that is not the problem. Is my last resourt opening the trigger valve?

Hunt_and_Annoy · 11-09-2005, 11:38 PM

The actual casing surrounding the trigger and PC's is seperate and rather difficult to get off; if you have done that, you will probably find that your trigger valve parts have been glued together, if they aren't, open it up and examine the problems.

PS: The MXL has such crappy range because the two PC's converge into one trigger valve, then seperate again on the nozzles. Hasbro was cheap in the manufacturing, and it led to less range.

newb · 11-09-2005, 11:56 PM

I see, however I have already taken that apart. The only problem is that the piping is glued together, so in order for anyone to take the trigger valve apart, a certain part must be removed. That part I beleve, is the super charge attached to the front. I think I would have to saw it, for it is all glued stiff from that point on. Or unless there is some kind of substance/chemical, that would enable me to remove the glue. Other than that I dont know what els to do.

Hunt_and_Annoy · 11-10-2005, 09:22 AM

If you sawed it off you would have a big gaping hole for water to leak out of...

m15399 · 11-10-2005, 05:51 PM

My advice is don't do anything permanent (sawing) until you are ABSOLUTELY sure that you know what you're doing.

newb · 11-11-2005, 04:01 PM

Can’t you just use glue, to bond the part back to its original state? Won't plumbers adhesive change the properties & start to melt the plastic together? My chemistry teacher told me that plumbers adhesive would have the strength to bond two pieces of plastic together. This is because the adhesive would make the properties of two plastic bonds. After that it would just act as one solid plastic part.

Or any type of super glue to rebound it.

Oh I have just detached a section. Now I’m only left with the trigger valve. The only problem is taking the trigger valve apart. It is covered with glue. I am not sure what type of glue the company used. Is there any way for me to get this thing apart, without breaking it? I tried using a screw driver, knife, & another sharp object. Apparently this is not helping me open it. I have a few scratched, & cuts because of this method. So would there be any other method in opening it? Chemical?

m15399 · 11-11-2005, 04:05 PM

I'm suprised if it's repairable at all, if you have really sawed out the trigger valve from the soaker. Is this what you actually did?

newb · 11-11-2005, 04:19 PM

Nope I sawed off one part, that was not any of the pipes. If I were to super glue it, it would stick rite back on. The problem is opening the trigger valve. It is stuff with glue. Even after I took off the screwes, it is extremly hard to open. Should I try to saw it open? Pry it open? or just ask hasbro for a replacement.

m15399 · 11-11-2005, 05:01 PM

First of all, are you sure you even need to open the trigger valve? That's propably not a very good idea unless you absolutely have to. Even then, you may have to replace the entire valve with a ball valve if you break it.

newb · 11-11-2005, 05:10 PM

Yes I'am sure that the problem lies with the Trigger valve. & even if i get a ball valve. the trigger will be of no use. Now wouldn't it? What is my next step?

m15399 · 11-11-2005, 05:28 PM

Better a ball valve than no valve. I've never opened a trigger valve, so your next step is to wait for someone who has.

11-09-2005, 07:33 PM	#1
newb Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle Washington Posts: 33 UserID: 341	Monster Xl Help open trigger valve Hi I over presureised my monster XL. I was using the QFD, and I axcidentally filled it up to much. Now it acts as if the trigger is broken. Whenevery i pump, or whenever I use the QFD. the gun automatically shouts. This is a big problem. I fear that it is broken. I have taken it apart so far, and do not know what else to do at the moment. Can any one help me? Last edited by newb : 11-11-2005 at 06:19 PM.

11-09-2005, 07:52 PM	#3
newb Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle Washington Posts: 33 UserID: 341	There is a hole where the pressurization part is revealed, and i can see that if i pull the trigger it works perfectly fine. By the way where is the trigger valve? there seems to be no leakage at all. I just tried using the QFD once again, and it has no real luck. Last edited by Ben : 11-09-2005 at 08:16 PM. Reason: Double post joined together

11-09-2005, 08:09 PM	#4
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,054 UserID: 1	There is an article on our website titled Open Trigger Valve Repair in the Repairs section. The description says "How to fix that pesky problem of when your gun shoots while pumping." This sounds to be exactly what you are experiencing. Also, you can easily see what the trigger valve is in another article on our website: http://www.sscentral.org/tech/articles/parts.php I would very highly suggest checking our website before asking here! Nearly all of your questions are answered there. I don't mean to sound like a snob, but save everyone time by checking our website. __________________ email: / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas. Last edited by Ben : 11-09-2005 at 08:18 PM.

11-09-2005, 07:42 PM	#2
m15399 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 224 UserID: 495	Does everything look ok? Look carefully at the trigger valve and see if it's cracked or anything.

11-09-2005, 10:29 PM	#5
newb Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle Washington Posts: 33 UserID: 341	Ben I see. I have just recieve your letter, so now I am joining the posts. I also tried the Open Trigger Valve Repair. It seems like that is not the problem. Is my last resourt opening the trigger valve?

11-09-2005, 11:38 PM	#6
Hunt_and_Annoy Back from the dead. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: bay area, CA Posts: 399 UserID: 345	The actual casing surrounding the trigger and PC's is seperate and rather difficult to get off; if you have done that, you will probably find that your trigger valve parts have been glued together, if they aren't, open it up and examine the problems. PS: The MXL has such crappy range because the two PC's converge into one trigger valve, then seperate again on the nozzles. Hasbro was cheap in the manufacturing, and it led to less range.

11-09-2005, 11:56 PM	#7
newb Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle Washington Posts: 33 UserID: 341	I see, however I have already taken that apart. The only problem is that the piping is glued together, so in order for anyone to take the trigger valve apart, a certain part must be removed. That part I beleve, is the super charge attached to the front. I think I would have to saw it, for it is all glued stiff from that point on. Or unless there is some kind of substance/chemical, that would enable me to remove the glue. Other than that I dont know what els to do.

11-10-2005, 09:22 AM	#8
Hunt_and_Annoy Back from the dead. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: bay area, CA Posts: 399 UserID: 345	If you sawed it off you would have a big gaping hole for water to leak out of...

11-10-2005, 05:51 PM	#9
m15399 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 224 UserID: 495	My advice is don't do anything permanent (sawing) until you are ABSOLUTELY sure that you know what you're doing.

11-11-2005, 04:01 PM	#10
newb Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle Washington Posts: 33 UserID: 341	Can’t you just use glue, to bond the part back to its original state? Won't plumbers adhesive change the properties & start to melt the plastic together? My chemistry teacher told me that plumbers adhesive would have the strength to bond two pieces of plastic together. This is because the adhesive would make the properties of two plastic bonds. After that it would just act as one solid plastic part. Or any type of super glue to rebound it. Oh I have just detached a section. Now I’m only left with the trigger valve. The only problem is taking the trigger valve apart. It is covered with glue. I am not sure what type of glue the company used. Is there any way for me to get this thing apart, without breaking it? I tried using a screw driver, knife, & another sharp object. Apparently this is not helping me open it. I have a few scratched, & cuts because of this method. So would there be any other method in opening it? Chemical?

11-11-2005, 04:05 PM	#11
m15399 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 224 UserID: 495	I'm suprised if it's repairable at all, if you have really sawed out the trigger valve from the soaker. Is this what you actually did?

11-11-2005, 04:19 PM	#12
newb Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle Washington Posts: 33 UserID: 341	Nope I sawed off one part, that was not any of the pipes. If I were to super glue it, it would stick rite back on. The problem is opening the trigger valve. It is stuff with glue. Even after I took off the screwes, it is extremly hard to open. Should I try to saw it open? Pry it open? or just ask hasbro for a replacement.

11-11-2005, 05:01 PM	#13
m15399 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 224 UserID: 495	First of all, are you sure you even need to open the trigger valve? That's propably not a very good idea unless you absolutely have to. Even then, you may have to replace the entire valve with a ball valve if you break it.

11-11-2005, 05:10 PM	#14
newb Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle Washington Posts: 33 UserID: 341	Yes I'am sure that the problem lies with the Trigger valve. & even if i get a ball valve. the trigger will be of no use. Now wouldn't it? What is my next step?

11-11-2005, 05:28 PM	#15
m15399 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 224 UserID: 495	Better a ball valve than no valve. I've never opened a trigger valve, so your next step is to wait for someone who has.

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