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Crashdummy · 10-30-2005, 07:41 PM

As the Title implies, where should I cut to cut out the check valves in my guns. I want to cvf my FF and my CPS 2100. I know you guys are going to say to cut the orange part out for the FF, but all of my FF's internals are orange!

Ben · 10-30-2005, 08:14 PM

I don't know how many times I must explain this. The check valve configuration follows the exact same pattern for 90% of all water guns. How do you think I can identify what parts are which? The pattern.

The Check valve freezing has an image of the check valve of a Super Soaker CPS 2100. Problem #1 solved.

Take a picture of your Flash Flood's internals and I will draw on the places to cut. Otherwise, simply look at the Max-D 6000 or CPS 2700 pictures and cut in the same spots. It's exactly the same as those two water guns in most water guns.

Crashdummy · 10-30-2005, 08:36 PM

Sorry, I just wanted to make sure. My parents think I am just mindlessly "Hacking" my soakers apart when I mod them and if I were to actually mess one up such as cut in the wrong place, I would probably lose the privelege of being able to buy more soakers.

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m15399 · 10-30-2005, 09:39 PM

I don't know how all the internals are orange. Hunter's looks exactly like mine. I lost the link to hunter's but here's the link on my site.

Edit: I've always wanted to ask this: How does a check valve work? Is it a one way valve that has a pretty strong spring in it to keep the water back?
Come to think of it, how do one way valves work?

Crashdummy · 10-31-2005, 10:50 AM

This is how one way valves work. http://entertainment.howstuffworks.c...-blaster3.html

You see that orange piece of the Flash Flood? My entire gun's internals are made in that color. I guess I will have to cut that orange part in your picture out of my soaker then.

RacerSoaker445 · 10-31-2005, 01:20 PM

The Flash Flood CVF's exactly like a MD 6000 or XP 310. I beleave that the rest of the 2005 line CVF's the same as well.

Let's see what 2005 brings us!

Ben · 10-31-2005, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m15399

How does a check valve work? Is it a one way valve that has a pretty strong spring in it to keep the water back?
Come to think of it, how do one way valves work?

What is removed in Check valve freezing is NOT a check valve. It is a pressure-relief valve. You can buy similar valves at some hardware stores and online. The whole name "Check valve freezing" really is incorrect, but it is recognized well and there has been no effort to rename the modification.

Check valves (i.e. true one-way valves) are very easy to understand. A spring usually pushes a slit of rubber against a smaller hole. The pressure and the spring prevent the water from coming through one side, while water can move freely through the other side because the spring will contract in that direction. I have built check valves before with leftovers springs, but they were far from professional quality, so I would suggest buying them at all costs.

m15399 · 10-31-2005, 06:03 PM

Actually, I was wondering why the two had the same name.

@Crashdummy: Check valves work differently now, because the trigger set-up is completely different.

Crashdummy · 10-31-2005, 06:17 PM

I know, but that was the basic setup. I Think it is the same for the non air pressure guns too, except that there is a pressure release valve. In theory, you could pump a gun so fast, the pressure release valve can open even though the PC isn't full.

m15399 · 10-31-2005, 06:31 PM

Not only in theory, I've done that!

But on to the original topic... You should really take a pic, but if you're impatient look at the article I posted again and you should be able to identify the location of the check valve based on my pics.

Crashdummy · 11-01-2005, 06:54 PM

Hunter gave me a little help on it. He cvf-ed his FF and said to where to cut. I have the section cut out and the gun just needs a little epoxy (I ran out, can you imagine that) and I will test it. The reason it needs the cvf is because it has a water worm mutant's bladder over it's original bladder. That makes the bladder more than twice as thick. After it's internals are reinforced and it's nozzle is nozzle drilled, I will take down some stats.

mr. dude · 06-20-2006, 12:29 PM

Sorry for bringing up a dead topic (as always), but I'm helping CVF a friend's FF, and I'm having trouble cutting through the pressure relief valve. There is a screw or spring that doesn't want to be cut. should I get a better saw, or cut somewhere else?

Silence · 06-20-2006, 01:13 PM

I probably wouldn't know the answer, but I must just point out that a picture might work well. All soakers are different, so this is slightly confusing.

Note that the Flash Flood uses CPS technology, so it's pointless to do a CVF unless you're doing a k-mod/colossus!

joannaardway · 06-20-2006, 02:01 PM

Use a better saw - or possibly cut past the spring somehow.

Are you colossusing it? If not, then don't bother with the CVF.

mr. dude · 06-20-2006, 02:09 PM

Quote:

it's pointless to do a CVF unless you're doing a k-mod/colossus!

Exactly what I'm doing. I posted this in the "Any flash flood mods out?" thread, but I can't seem to find that. We plan on using the two sizes of LRT that Ben recommended to fix a CPS 2000, which means power similar to that of a CPS 2000. We will colossus that to add even more power. I already ordered the LRT (see my latest thread in the new users forum). To top that off, we will laminate the FF blast.

10-30-2005, 08:14 PM	#2
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,335 UserID: 1	I don't know how many times I must explain this. The check valve configuration follows the exact same pattern for 90% of all water guns. How do you think I can identify what parts are which? The pattern. The Check valve freezing has an image of the check valve of a Super Soaker CPS 2100. Problem #1 solved. Take a picture of your Flash Flood's internals and I will draw on the places to cut. Otherwise, simply look at the Max-D 6000 or CPS 2700 pictures and cut in the same spots. It's exactly the same as those two water guns in most water guns. __________________ I am on an extended hiatus from the community at the moment. Non-urgent messages to me will have a delayed reply. / Please read this before emailing me / #soakertalk I do not sell water guns. If you ask me any water gun question by PM or email my response will be to post the question at the forum. My free time is limited. If I do have time I will post a reply to your thread. Private questions are fine and encouraged. Thank you for your consideration.

10-30-2005, 08:36 PM	#3
Crashdummy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Alameda, Ca Posts: 313 UserID: 272	Sorry, I just wanted to make sure. My parents think I am just mindlessly "Hacking" my soakers apart when I mod them and if I were to actually mess one up such as cut in the wrong place, I would probably lose the privelege of being able to buy more soakers. Post 310! Yay, my favorte XP (not including XXPs). __________________ http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...shdummySig.jpg

10-30-2005, 09:39 PM	#4
m15399 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 224 UserID: 495	I don't know how all the internals are orange. Hunter's looks exactly like mine. I lost the link to hunter's but here's the link on my site. Edit: I've always wanted to ask this: How does a check valve work? Is it a one way valve that has a pretty strong spring in it to keep the water back? Come to think of it, how do one way valves work? Last edited by m15399 : 10-30-2005 at 09:46 PM.

10-31-2005, 10:50 AM	#5
Crashdummy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Alameda, Ca Posts: 313 UserID: 272	This is how one way valves work. http://entertainment.howstuffworks.c...-blaster3.html You see that orange piece of the Flash Flood? My entire gun's internals are made in that color. I guess I will have to cut that orange part in your picture out of my soaker then. __________________ http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...shdummySig.jpg

10-31-2005, 01:20 PM	#6
RacerSoaker445 Still selling stuff. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: On my tricked out PC Posts: 949 UserID: 83	The Flash Flood CVF's exactly like a MD 6000 or XP 310. I beleave that the rest of the 2005 line CVF's the same as well. Let's see what 2005 brings us! __________________ SELLING EVERYTHING I HAVE More info here. Interested? PM me.

10-30-2005, 07:41 PM	#1
Crashdummy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Alameda, Ca Posts: 313 UserID: 272	Where to cut for cvf As the Title implies, where should I cut to cut out the check valves in my guns. I want to cvf my FF and my CPS 2100. I know you guys are going to say to cut the orange part out for the FF, but all of my FF's internals are orange! __________________ http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...shdummySig.jpg

10-31-2005, 06:03 PM	#8
m15399 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 224 UserID: 495	Actually, I was wondering why the two had the same name. @Crashdummy: Check valves work differently now, because the trigger set-up is completely different.

10-31-2005, 06:17 PM	#9
Crashdummy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Alameda, Ca Posts: 313 UserID: 272	I know, but that was the basic setup. I Think it is the same for the non air pressure guns too, except that there is a pressure release valve. In theory, you could pump a gun so fast, the pressure release valve can open even though the PC isn't full. __________________ http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...shdummySig.jpg

10-31-2005, 06:31 PM	#10
m15399 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 224 UserID: 495	Not only in theory, I've done that! But on to the original topic... You should really take a pic, but if you're impatient look at the article I posted again and you should be able to identify the location of the check valve based on my pics.

11-01-2005, 06:54 PM	#11
Crashdummy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Alameda, Ca Posts: 313 UserID: 272	Hunter gave me a little help on it. He cvf-ed his FF and said to where to cut. I have the section cut out and the gun just needs a little epoxy (I ran out, can you imagine that) and I will test it. The reason it needs the cvf is because it has a water worm mutant's bladder over it's original bladder. That makes the bladder more than twice as thick. After it's internals are reinforced and it's nozzle is nozzle drilled, I will take down some stats. __________________ http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...shdummySig.jpg

06-20-2006, 12:29 PM	#12
mr. dude Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 132 UserID: 572	Sorry for bringing up a dead topic (as always), but I'm helping CVF a friend's FF, and I'm having trouble cutting through the pressure relief valve. There is a screw or spring that doesn't want to be cut. should I get a better saw, or cut somewhere else?

06-20-2006, 01:13 PM	#13
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cville, VA / Urbana, IL Posts: 3,753 UserID: 576	I probably wouldn't know the answer, but I must just point out that a picture might work well. All soakers are different, so this is slightly confusing. Note that the Flash Flood uses CPS technology, so it's pointless to do a CVF unless you're doing a k-mod/colossus! __________________ Forum rules

06-20-2006, 02:01 PM	#14
joannaardway Do not adjust your TV set Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SW Hertfordshire, England Posts: 855 UserID: 549	Use a better saw - or possibly cut past the spring somehow. Are you colossusing it? If not, then don't bother with the CVF. __________________ "Over the hills and far away, she prays he will return one day. As sure as the rivers reach the seas, back in his arms again she'll be." - Over the Hills and far away, Gary Moore "So many people have come and gone, their faces fade as the years go by. Yet I still recall as I wander on, as clear as the sun in the summer sky" - More than a feeling, Boston

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