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Silence · 07-14-2008, 08:04 AM

I agree with you, Cyrax. The lying is the worst part.

Goldfish, I haven't heard of any scams like that, but it's really common in electronics and the like. For the most part, these scammers are reliable about selling their junk.

Spinner · 07-14-2008, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldfish4209

Has anyone heard of a scam in which the seller didn't send the gun at all, or something else like that?

I once didn't receive a Monster XL (without bipod) that I'd bought. I don't know if that was down to the seller or to USPS, however.

cantab · 07-14-2008, 12:32 PM

You should have assumed the seller didn't send. Unless he provides you proof that he did post it, then he didn't.

Personally I believe the risk of an item being lost in the post should in any case be borne by the seller, not the buyer (and that should be the case even if the seller tries to claim otherwise). I don't know what the laws are in different jurisdictions though.

cantab · 07-19-2008, 04:29 PM

Another UK scam with blatant lying, both on the gun and by the seller

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EX-LARGE-Super...em360071448934

Major McMan · 07-20-2008, 07:11 PM

Here are some more scams:

fake CPS 1000

Fake CPS 1500

Goldfish4209 · 07-21-2008, 07:44 AM

That second one looks interesting- although most people can tell from the sticker it's not a CPS 1500. From the description, it says "get a soaking stream of water with every pump", I think it's a piston powered water gun.

Silence · 07-21-2008, 09:42 AM

Also note the cheap-looking trigger. Interestingly, that type of trigger is usually real (but of low quality) - but if this is a pumper water gun, then maybe it is a fake trigger.

Thanks for the heads-up, guys.

Ben · 07-21-2008, 12:59 PM

Well, hopefully no one bought in to the second one. Normally given ranges are exaggerated, so the 2 meters reported range could be a whopping 1.5 meters instead.

Major McMan · 07-24-2008, 03:02 PM

Guess what? The CPS 4100 has been faked! You may have seen it faked before but this is news to me. Click here to see it.

Silence · 07-24-2008, 03:48 PM

Hah. It looks about half the size of the real thing. The fake pump in front with practically nothing else makes me think it's a pump action, again.

cantab · 07-24-2008, 05:30 PM

Here is what seems to be a fake CPS 2100 on german ebay

http://cgi.ebay.de/WASSERPISTOLE-Was...QQcmdZViewItem

It''s a very good likeness - except for the pump!

Silence · 07-24-2008, 09:02 PM

If I didn't know any better, I'd buy it just because it looks like a solid water gun.

The trigger looks real. I say this as a person who's taken apart a CPS 4100 before - the weak, SoakerTag re-release mark. The top of the trigger is very narrow, and the back of it is a slant to the bottom rear corner. You can see a similar design in the picture at the bottom of that page. Even the ridge around the edge of the trigger is the same. Wow.

I wonder how well it performs. I think wetmonkey442 had a good CPS 2100 ripoff...and since the CPS 4100 is from the same line, maybe they were ripped off together.

Major McMan · 07-29-2008, 07:42 PM

I saw one of those in a Publix while I was on vacation, along with a fake 1000 and 1500.

also, I saw one on eBay before I joined, so I wasn't able to post it.

Watch out for CPS 2100s with nozzle selectors!!!

kvdude · 08-04-2008, 01:17 PM

WOW like at these poor scames labeled DREAM!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-SUPE...6.c0.m14.l1318

cantab · 08-04-2008, 01:29 PM

"HH Dream" seems to be as big a name in fake soakers as Super Soaker is in the real thing!

Also, I think sellers of fakes are just copying buzzphrases from whereever and each other. Things like "a soaking stream with every pump" probably DON'T actually mean it's a piston pumper - they mean the seller is copy-pasting from other auctions. Similarly, guns claiming to shoot 2 metres - I bet that was put in error by someone, and the scammers stupidly copied it.

It's likely MOST business sellers, whatever it is, and whether it's genuine or ripoff, don't actually test their wares. So they write their descriptions really knowing nothing about the product.

07-14-2008, 08:04 AM	#31
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,246 UserID: 576	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic I agree with you, Cyrax. The lying is the worst part. Goldfish, I haven't heard of any scams like that, but it's really common in electronics and the like. For the most part, these scammers are reliable about selling their junk. __________________ Forum Rules

07-14-2008, 12:32 PM	#33
cantab Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: England Posts: 436 UserID: 1400	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic You should have assumed the seller didn't send. Unless he provides you proof that he did post it, then he didn't. Personally I believe the risk of an item being lost in the post should in any case be borne by the seller, not the buyer (and that should be the case even if the seller tries to claim otherwise). I don't know what the laws are in different jurisdictions though.

07-19-2008, 04:29 PM	#34
cantab Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: England Posts: 436 UserID: 1400	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic Another UK scam with blatant lying, both on the gun and by the seller http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EX-LARGE-Super...em360071448934

07-20-2008, 07:11 PM	#35
Major McMan Junior member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Somewhere, of course. Posts: 10 UserID: 1659	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic Here are some more scams: fake CPS 1000 Fake CPS 1500 __________________ All war is based off deception.- Sun Tzu

07-21-2008, 07:44 AM	#36
Goldfish4209 «ṀĔḾḂẼȐ» Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 67 UserID: 1590	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic That second one looks interesting- although most people can tell from the sticker it's not a CPS 1500. From the description, it says "get a soaking stream of water with every pump", I think it's a piston powered water gun.

07-21-2008, 09:42 AM	#37
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,246 UserID: 576	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic Also note the cheap-looking trigger. Interestingly, that type of trigger is usually real (but of low quality) - but if this is a pumper water gun, then maybe it is a fake trigger. Thanks for the heads-up, guys. __________________ Forum Rules

07-21-2008, 12:59 PM	#38
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,974 UserID: 1	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic Well, hopefully no one bought in to the second one. Normally given ranges are exaggerated, so the 2 meters reported range could be a whopping 1.5 meters instead. __________________ email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas. Do not send me a PM or email about reading a certain post unless it's been a few days since you've posted. I try to read every post.

07-24-2008, 03:02 PM	#39
Major McMan Junior member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Somewhere, of course. Posts: 10 UserID: 1659	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic Guess what? The CPS 4100 has been faked! You may have seen it faked before but this is news to me. Click here to see it. __________________ All war is based off deception.- Sun Tzu

07-24-2008, 03:48 PM	#40
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,246 UserID: 576	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic Hah. It looks about half the size of the real thing. The fake pump in front with practically nothing else makes me think it's a pump action, again. __________________ Forum Rules

07-24-2008, 05:30 PM	#41
cantab Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: England Posts: 436 UserID: 1400	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic Here is what seems to be a fake CPS 2100 on german ebay http://cgi.ebay.de/WASSERPISTOLE-Was...QQcmdZViewItem It''s a very good likeness - except for the pump!

07-24-2008, 09:02 PM	#42
Silence Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,246 UserID: 576	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic If I didn't know any better, I'd buy it just because it looks like a solid water gun. The trigger looks real. I say this as a person who's taken apart a CPS 4100 before - the weak, SoakerTag re-release mark. The top of the trigger is very narrow, and the back of it is a slant to the bottom rear corner. You can see a similar design in the picture at the bottom of that page. Even the ridge around the edge of the trigger is the same. Wow. I wonder how well it performs. I think wetmonkey442 had a good CPS 2100 ripoff...and since the CPS 4100 is from the same line, maybe they were ripped off together. __________________ Forum Rules

07-29-2008, 07:42 PM	#43
Major McMan Junior member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Somewhere, of course. Posts: 10 UserID: 1659	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic I saw one of those in a Publix while I was on vacation, along with a fake 1000 and 1500. also, I saw one on eBay before I joined, so I wasn't able to post it. Watch out for CPS 2100s with nozzle selectors!!! __________________ All war is based off deception.- Sun Tzu

08-04-2008, 01:17 PM	#44
kvdude Junior member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 12 UserID: 1683	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic WOW like at these poor scames labeled DREAM!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-SUPE...6.c0.m14.l1318

08-04-2008, 01:29 PM	#45
cantab Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: England Posts: 436 UserID: 1400	Re: The eBay Scambuster Topic "HH Dream" seems to be as big a name in fake soakers as Super Soaker is in the real thing! Also, I think sellers of fakes are just copying buzzphrases from whereever and each other. Things like "a soaking stream with every pump" probably DON'T actually mean it's a piston pumper - they mean the seller is copy-pasting from other auctions. Similarly, guns claiming to shoot 2 metres - I bet that was put in error by someone, and the scammers stupidly copied it. It's likely MOST business sellers, whatever it is, and whether it's genuine or ripoff, don't actually test their wares. So they write their descriptions really knowing nothing about the product. __________________ Arsenal: 2x XP 220, Arctic Blast (broken), Aquashock Secret Strike (nozzle drilled), Sting Ray, Argon, Tiger Shark, Shark, Jet, Storm 500, Shield Blaster 2000, Waterbolt, The Blaster, 3l garden sprayer, 1l sprayer, cheap PR gun, backpack piston pumper (broken, again), 3l aquapack, 1.5l aquapack, 10l water carrier.

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