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Hunt_and_Annoy · 04-19-2005, 01:25 AM

The max-d trigger on my FF broke (max-d is XPBackfire-esque) so I found a mod to fix it. It also has the nice add-on of making it silent. I invented this mod because I wanted to still have the long range in max-d, but leave the loud noise, and wearing down over time behind. And I had a broken FF that needed fixing.

The frst thing you have to do is remove all the fancy stuff for the max-d trigger: the spring, the metal rods, and the plastic peice that is sort of covering the lever that opens the ball valve. Do NOT remove the lever that opens the ball valve! The only plastic piece you remove looks something like this:

Then you use rubber bands to hold the lever in the 'closed' postion. Make sure they're tight enough so if you pull the valve open and gradually let go it will close completely.

In order for this mod to be successful you must remove one of the plastic things that parts from the max-d trigger attached to, it will get in the way. The red outline is where it used to be one my FF.

next, put all the internalls back in the gun, and push the trigger forward as far as it will go, and measure the distance between the hole in the trigger where it used to connect to the valve and the hole in the valve lever. I got 4 cm for the FF. You will have to bend a piece of wire that will connect those two holes, it can't have any slack, because then the trigger won't be able to pull back far enough to open the valve completely.

that is what the bent wire should look like. you use the wire to connect the trigger to the valve.

The complete mod, showing where the valve should go. Note that this mod can be changed to fit any max-d gun. Also note that I modified my trigger so it could be pulled back furter.

This article is written for SSC becuase it is a tech oriented site, but if it is not put up in 2 months then I will give it to SM or hydrowar.

EDIT: hope you liked it, or at least understood it. <_<

Ben · 04-19-2005, 04:53 AM

Could you retake the 3rd and 4th pictures so that they are in focus? I really don't like putting out-of-focus images on our site.

Godzillasoaker65 · 04-19-2005, 08:00 AM

I don't mean to seem stupid, or anything, but is that black thing with a little hook the lever that opens the valve? It's kind of hard to see cause the whole thing is black. If you put this on the site then do something to indicate where the "lever" is. Other than that it's a pretty good article, and mod. I think the FF is coming closer to a CPS 2100 legend that will be modded past it's limits, which I like cause I actually have one this time.

h34r:

EDIT:Is it hard to pull the trigger, because of the rubber bands?

Hunt_and_Annoy · 04-19-2005, 10:09 AM

I will retake them asap (meaning whenever I bother to remember)

If u look at the bigger FF trigger, you will notice that it has one of those black pieces over the valve, and the green thing the spring goes to is the lever (that is on the riot blast valve) the mod is done on the normal valve. If you get a FF and open it up you will see the differance. I advise trying this mod on a FF before anything else if you don't quite understand the instructions, cause then the pics will be more useful. I don't think what I just said was very help ful...I will highlight the lever.

EDIT: the part surrounded in red is the lever that opens it.

I also nozzle drilled and CVFed this FF.

Spinner · 04-19-2005, 11:20 AM

So are you saying that this increases range, or just makes it silent? Either way, it sounds useful.

Hunt_and_Annoy · 04-19-2005, 03:20 PM

this does not increase range, it makes it silent, and since there's no spring this one doesn't break like conventional max-ds. I invented this mod cause I wanted to fix the max-d trigger on my FF

RacerSoaker445 · 04-19-2005, 04:08 PM

^ I just tried it on my broken MD 4000, it works great!

Hunt_and_Annoy · 04-19-2005, 04:17 PM

Thanks! My first successfully invented mod! Yay! I am officially no longer a inexperienced user!

perilous1 · 04-20-2005, 03:32 PM

The mod may silence the Flash Flood, but it also decreases the power and output of the shots. I know this because I did this mod earlier.

Hunt_and_Annoy · 04-20-2005, 04:00 PM

that is a slightly differant version of the mod. The updated one actually made mine better.

EDIT: it could be that you didn't bend the wire just right. If it is a little too long it will only pull the valve halfway open.

Ben · 04-20-2005, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by hunter@Apr 19 2005, 04:17 PM
Thanks! My first successfully invented mod! Yay! I am officially no longer a inexperienced user!
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Actually, I tried out an extremely similar modification in 2003 on my Max-D 6000. I planned to put it on SSCentral, however I didn't think it worked too well and I also didn't think it would be worth the work to make work better. Apparently your version works better.

Also, hunter, please use the spell check! I periodically go through and spell check random posts to see if people are using it! There's a reason that frst, peice, postion, internalls, furter, becuase, u (especially this), differance, and help ful are not in the dictionary... it's because they aren't words. As it turned out, the spell check properly corrected most of these mistakes in less than a minute.

I hate to tell people to use the obvious, but when it does the work for them I feel I must!

Hunt_and_Annoy · 04-20-2005, 04:23 PM

Sorry Doom. I was kind of in a hurry when I posted. I am in a hurry a lot.

Edit: Hurry or no hurry, take a minute to spell check your posts! Is that too long? :P

perilous1 · 04-20-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by hunter@Apr 20 2005, 02:00 PM
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The wire was bent right. The sound that come from the Flash Flood is from the valve opening and closing all the way, and I moved a rubber to where the valve opened and closed all the way, but the sound was very quiet, and I did that two days ago. :P

Hunt_and_Annoy · 04-20-2005, 06:43 PM

The noise come from it opening entirely in a relatively fast amount of time. And your problem is with the FF valve, right? The range of movement for that trigger is not large enough to completely open the valve using the silent-type connection this describes. It would take a lot of modification.

perilous1 · 04-20-2005, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hunter@Apr 20 2005, 04:43 PM
The noise come from it opening entirely in a relatively fast amount of time. And your problem is with the FF valve, right? The range of movement for that trigger is not large enough to completely open the valve using the silent-type connection this describes. It would take a lot of modification.
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I am talking about the regular fire, you are referring to the riot blast, which I give up on due to it's hopelessness, and can you at leasted try not to argue? Or at least do it politely.

04-19-2005, 04:53 AM	#2
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,793 UserID: 1	Could you retake the 3rd and 4th pictures so that they are in focus? I really don't like putting out-of-focus images on our site. __________________ Ben Trettel / email: ben at sscentral dot org Please read this page before emailing me.

04-19-2005, 08:00 AM	#3
Godzillasoaker65 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Springfield ma. which one do the simpsons live in? Posts: 259 UserID: 288	I don't mean to seem stupid, or anything, but is that black thing with a little hook the lever that opens the valve? It's kind of hard to see cause the whole thing is black. If you put this on the site then do something to indicate where the "lever" is. Other than that it's a pretty good article, and mod. I think the FF is coming closer to a CPS 2100 legend that will be modded past it's limits, which I like cause I actually have one this time. h34r: EDIT:Is it hard to pull the trigger, because of the rubber bands? __________________ Soak, or be soaked that is the question!

04-19-2005, 11:20 AM	#5
Spinner Administrator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,314 UserID: 77	So are you saying that this increases range, or just makes it silent? Either way, it sounds useful. __________________ ISS: Soaker Sagas Submit your saga and see it up with other titans of water warfare.

04-19-2005, 04:08 PM	#7
RacerSoaker445 Still selling stuff. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: On my tricked out PC Posts: 944 UserID: 83	^ I just tried it on my broken MD 4000, it works great! __________________ WORKING Guns For Sale: CPS 3200, Max-D 5000, WW Glo-Blaster BROKEN Guns For Sale: CPS 1500 + 15 Balloon K-Mod, Flash Flood + 3-layer collossus & PRVD, XXP 175, WW Hornet, SS 50 More info here. Interested? PM me.

04-20-2005, 03:32 PM	#9
perilous1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 79 UserID: 369	The mod may silence the Flash Flood, but it also decreases the power and output of the shots. I know this because I did this mod earlier. __________________

04-19-2005, 01:25 AM	#1
Hunt_and_Annoy Back from the dead. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: bay area, CA Posts: 387 UserID: 345	The max-d trigger on my FF broke (max-d is XPBackfire-esque) so I found a mod to fix it. It also has the nice add-on of making it silent. I invented this mod because I wanted to still have the long range in max-d, but leave the loud noise, and wearing down over time behind. And I had a broken FF that needed fixing. The frst thing you have to do is remove all the fancy stuff for the max-d trigger: the spring, the metal rods, and the plastic peice that is sort of covering the lever that opens the ball valve. Do NOT remove the lever that opens the ball valve! The only plastic piece you remove looks something like this: Then you use rubber bands to hold the lever in the 'closed' postion. Make sure they're tight enough so if you pull the valve open and gradually let go it will close completely. In order for this mod to be successful you must remove one of the plastic things that parts from the max-d trigger attached to, it will get in the way. The red outline is where it used to be one my FF. next, put all the internalls back in the gun, and push the trigger forward as far as it will go, and measure the distance between the hole in the trigger where it used to connect to the valve and the hole in the valve lever. I got 4 cm for the FF. You will have to bend a piece of wire that will connect those two holes, it can't have any slack, because then the trigger won't be able to pull back far enough to open the valve completely. that is what the bent wire should look like. you use the wire to connect the trigger to the valve. The complete mod, showing where the valve should go. Note that this mod can be changed to fit any max-d gun. Also note that I modified my trigger so it could be pulled back furter. This article is written for SSC becuase it is a tech oriented site, but if it is not put up in 2 months then I will give it to SM or hydrowar. EDIT: hope you liked it, or at least understood it. <_<

04-19-2005, 10:09 AM	#4
Hunt_and_Annoy Back from the dead. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: bay area, CA Posts: 387 UserID: 345	I will retake them asap (meaning whenever I bother to remember) If u look at the bigger FF trigger, you will notice that it has one of those black pieces over the valve, and the green thing the spring goes to is the lever (that is on the riot blast valve) the mod is done on the normal valve. If you get a FF and open it up you will see the differance. I advise trying this mod on a FF before anything else if you don't quite understand the instructions, cause then the pics will be more useful. I don't think what I just said was very help ful...I will highlight the lever. EDIT: the part surrounded in red is the lever that opens it. I also nozzle drilled and CVFed this FF.

04-19-2005, 03:20 PM	#6
Hunt_and_Annoy Back from the dead. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: bay area, CA Posts: 387 UserID: 345	this does not increase range, it makes it silent, and since there's no spring this one doesn't break like conventional max-ds. I invented this mod cause I wanted to fix the max-d trigger on my FF

04-19-2005, 04:17 PM	#8
Hunt_and_Annoy Back from the dead. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: bay area, CA Posts: 387 UserID: 345	Thanks! My first successfully invented mod! Yay! I am officially no longer a inexperienced user!

04-20-2005, 04:00 PM	#10
Hunt_and_Annoy Back from the dead. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: bay area, CA Posts: 387 UserID: 345	that is a slightly differant version of the mod. The updated one actually made mine better. EDIT: it could be that you didn't bend the wire just right. If it is a little too long it will only pull the valve halfway open.

04-20-2005, 04:23 PM	#12
Hunt_and_Annoy Back from the dead. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: bay area, CA Posts: 387 UserID: 345	Sorry Doom. I was kind of in a hurry when I posted. I am in a hurry a lot. Edit: Hurry or no hurry, take a minute to spell check your posts! Is that too long? :P

04-20-2005, 06:43 PM	#14
Hunt_and_Annoy Back from the dead. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: bay area, CA Posts: 387 UserID: 345	The noise come from it opening entirely in a relatively fast amount of time. And your problem is with the FF valve, right? The range of movement for that trigger is not large enough to completely open the valve using the silent-type connection this describes. It would take a lot of modification.

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