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Soakologist · 09-22-2004, 08:21 PM

I just received an NIB 2500 off of eBay yesterday, so I decided to do some range testing with it and a CPS 2000 Mk. 2 to see if they really did have the same power. What I found was that the CPS 2000 did in fact shoot about 5-7 feet further than the CPS 2500 (on 20x, of course), putting to rest all doubts of a Mk. 2 being "merely" as ranging as a CPS 2500. This is, however, not the incredible part of the story.
I decided to have a little fun and try range testing my CPS 2000 Mk. 1 with a 2500. What I found was that the CPS 2000 only shot about two or three feet further than the 2500. I found this peculiar, because it seemed like my Mk. 2 had outperformed my 2500 by a wider margin. So I decided to test my Mk. 2 and Mk. 1 against each other. What I found was most startling...

My Suspicions were correct.

In a side-by-side test, a CPS 2000 Mk. 2 actually shot further than my Mk. 1, by about 3-5 feet. This wasn't the only confirmation. I took out my other Mk. 2 in stock and found out that it actually shot even further, outranging my Mk. 1 by nearly seven feet.
I was shocked. However, this is indeed the case. My conjecture is that the Mk. 2 uses stronger rubber than the Mk. 1, leading me to believe that the CPS 2500 actually uses an entirely different PC than the Mk. 2. Otherwise, the 2500 would also outperform the Mk. 1. However, while the Mk. 2 does outrange the Mk. 1, I found that the Mk. 1 does in fact throw out a higher output rate than the Mk. 2. In a half-second test, I found that the Mk. 1 put out 15 oz. in a half-second while the Mk. 2 put out 12 oz. I also tested my other Mk. 2 (The one with more range) and its output registered at 11 oz. in a half second. My CPS 2500 only outputted 11 oz. as well in the half second.

I will be shipping a CPS 2000 to iSc (given he accepts) as soon as he arrives back home so he can confirm this startling discovery, though I am sure that he will reach the same conclusion.

NiborDude · 09-22-2004, 08:28 PM

Interesting. So those people who spent 200+ dollars on the MK1 wasted their money! :Hey, that's funny.: I always didn't think there could be that much of a decrees in power between marks. I feel the pain of everyone who spent so much money.

Razor · 09-22-2004, 09:02 PM

What made people think the MK-1 shot farther anyway? I just don't get why anyone would just assume that the MK-1 has more range, and then buy it without ever trying to find out whether they're wasting money or not. :P

It makes no sense.

Soakologist · 09-22-2004, 09:23 PM

I guess it's just a common misnomer. :-\

ChaosKnight · 09-22-2004, 09:29 PM

I believe that the mk1 had a larger pc (Don't hurt me if im wrong), so people assumed bigger pc>smaller pc. also there was a rumor that larami weakened the soaker after lawsuits, but later discontinued it altogether. maybe it was a fluke about your soakers. or maybe your mk1 is a lemon? or maybe just wear and tear on it.

Neuro · 09-22-2004, 09:43 PM

yes, the mk1 had a larger pc. so you're in no danger of being hurt :P. this is very interesting, I hope isoaker accepts.

Soakologist · 09-22-2004, 10:06 PM

...***THIS JUST IN***...
Further range testing proves that the 10x on a CPS 2500 shoots further than either CPS 2000.

Super Sonic · 09-23-2004, 12:11 AM

Wow, so did you do that test yourself?

Spinner · 09-23-2004, 04:18 AM

This stuff is pretty incredible...and pleasing for me, since my 2000 is a mk.2.

Congrats for doing these tests!

DX · 09-23-2004, 04:06 PM

This is interesting. 10x on the 2500 shoots further than a 2000? I have done range tests on my 2500 and the max range of the 10x is around 49-52ft. If it does shoot futher, than it can't be by very much.......

Soakologist · 09-23-2004, 04:20 PM

It's not. It's only by two or three feet.

Jadefalcon09 · 09-23-2004, 10:34 PM

QFE From isoaker's Forums:

Quote:

Technically you did a good experiment. However is is still a Hypothesis, and has to be proven by others, many others for it to be proven a theory. I could run the same exact test and get completely opposite experiments. Until then, it remains a good idea. Not all guns were made equally, I can tell you that, there will be at least 1 thing different about them, and that 1 thing (variable) can throw the whole stats off.

~Iceman

Soakologist · 09-23-2004, 10:57 PM

Fighting Fire with Fire...

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That's why I'm going to ship my Mk. 2 to iSc so he can test it aside HIS CPS 2000 (his is a Mk. 1).

Ben · 09-23-2004, 11:25 PM

Possibly your mk. 2 is a secret mk. 3 that no one knows about. Could be very subtle differences, compare it to other mk. 2s to make sure.

Maybe someone with a mk.1 and mk.2 should compare the PC's thickness? I don't think that the PC has much to do with the range actually. I think it's more of the nozzle system here. Does the mk.2 have a smaller nozzle than the mk.1? That should explain the greater range. The best nozzle size could be closer to that of the mk. 2 than the mk. 1 for a CPS 2000-like water gun.

For Soakology (or wherever), it might be a good idea to make an article on this, also containing info about the 2000s and 2500s. That would be a popular article if it covers enough.

09-22-2004, 08:21 PM	#1
Soakologist Some kinda Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Indpls. Posts: 573 UserID: 17	I just received an NIB 2500 off of eBay yesterday, so I decided to do some range testing with it and a CPS 2000 Mk. 2 to see if they really did have the same power. What I found was that the CPS 2000 did in fact shoot about 5-7 feet further than the CPS 2500 (on 20x, of course), putting to rest all doubts of a Mk. 2 being "merely" as ranging as a CPS 2500. This is, however, not the incredible part of the story. I decided to have a little fun and try range testing my CPS 2000 Mk. 1 with a 2500. What I found was that the CPS 2000 only shot about two or three feet further than the 2500. I found this peculiar, because it seemed like my Mk. 2 had outperformed my 2500 by a wider margin. So I decided to test my Mk. 2 and Mk. 1 against each other. What I found was most startling... My Suspicions were correct. In a side-by-side test, a CPS 2000 Mk. 2 actually shot further than my Mk. 1, by about 3-5 feet. This wasn't the only confirmation. I took out my other Mk. 2 in stock and found out that it actually shot even further, outranging my Mk. 1 by nearly seven feet. I was shocked. However, this is indeed the case. My conjecture is that the Mk. 2 uses stronger rubber than the Mk. 1, leading me to believe that the CPS 2500 actually uses an entirely different PC than the Mk. 2. Otherwise, the 2500 would also outperform the Mk. 1. However, while the Mk. 2 does outrange the Mk. 1, I found that the Mk. 1 does in fact throw out a higher output rate than the Mk. 2. In a half-second test, I found that the Mk. 1 put out 15 oz. in a half-second while the Mk. 2 put out 12 oz. I also tested my other Mk. 2 (The one with more range) and its output registered at 11 oz. in a half second. My CPS 2500 only outputted 11 oz. as well in the half second. I will be shipping a CPS 2000 to iSc (given he accepts) as soon as he arrives back home so he can confirm this startling discovery, though I am sure that he will reach the same conclusion. __________________ Whatever music you listen to probably sucks.

09-22-2004, 08:28 PM	#2
NiborDude Retired Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ridgewood, NJ Posts: 682 UserID: 131	Interesting. So those people who spent 200+ dollars on the MK1 wasted their money! :Hey, that's funny.: I always didn't think there could be that much of a decrees in power between marks. I feel the pain of everyone who spent so much money. __________________ <span style='color:EEF2F7'>Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes! -Leonardo Da Vinci

09-22-2004, 09:02 PM	#3
Razor Junior member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13 UserID: 23	What made people think the MK-1 shot farther anyway? I just don't get why anyone would just assume that the MK-1 has more range, and then buy it without ever trying to find out whether they're wasting money or not. :P It makes no sense. __________________

09-22-2004, 09:23 PM	#4
Soakologist Some kinda Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Indpls. Posts: 573 UserID: 17	I guess it's just a common misnomer. :-\ __________________ Whatever music you listen to probably sucks.

09-22-2004, 09:29 PM	#5
ChaosKnight Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Surrounded by my personal harem. =) Posts: 89 UserID: 115	I believe that the mk1 had a larger pc (Don't hurt me if im wrong), so people assumed bigger pc>smaller pc. also there was a rumor that larami weakened the soaker after lawsuits, but later discontinued it altogether. maybe it was a fluke about your soakers. or maybe your mk1 is a lemon? or maybe just wear and tear on it. __________________ http://xs7.xs.to/pics/04512/sig2.jpg -whoamg, I can't put ANY anime girl in my sig without doom deleting it. =\

09-22-2004, 09:43 PM	#6
Neuro Retired Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,081 UserID: 30	yes, the mk1 had a larger pc. so you're in no danger of being hurt :P. this is very interesting, I hope isoaker accepts. __________________ "I used to care, but now I take a pill for that." You can pretty much ignore the times on that, I rarely ever have Xfire on when I play. I should, though.

09-22-2004, 10:06 PM	#7
Soakologist Some kinda Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Indpls. Posts: 573 UserID: 17	...*THIS JUST IN... Further range testing proves that the 10x on a CPS 2500 shoots further than either CPS 2000. __________________ Whatever music you listen to probably sucks.*

09-23-2004, 12:11 AM	#8
Super Sonic Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Moreno Valley CA Posts: 93 UserID: 268	Wow, so did you do that test yourself? __________________ "Rejoice not over me my enemy, for when I fall, I shall in turn arise." Micah 7:8

09-23-2004, 04:18 AM	#9
Spinner Administrator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,322 UserID: 77	This stuff is pretty incredible...and pleasing for me, since my 2000 is a mk.2. Congrats for doing these tests! __________________ ISS: Soaker Sagas Submit your saga and see it up with other titans of water warfare.

09-23-2004, 04:06 PM	#10
DX Wicked Super Admin Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Easton / New London, CT Posts: 1,576 UserID: 75	This is interesting. 10x on the 2500 shoots further than a 2000? I have done range tests on my 2500 and the max range of the 10x is around 49-52ft. If it does shoot futher, than it can't be by very much....... __________________ Mess With the Best, Get Soaked Like the Rest!! 2004 Red Sox - World Series Champions 2007 RED SOX - WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS! 2003 Patriots - Super Bowl Champions 2004 Patriots - Super Bowl Champions 2007 Patriots - God Damnit!

09-23-2004, 04:20 PM	#11
Soakologist Some kinda Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Indpls. Posts: 573 UserID: 17	It's not. It's only by two or three feet. __________________ Whatever music you listen to probably sucks.

09-23-2004, 11:25 PM	#14
Ben Founder Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 6,044 UserID: 1	Possibly your mk. 2 is a secret mk. 3 that no one knows about. Could be very subtle differences, compare it to other mk. 2s to make sure. Maybe someone with a mk.1 and mk.2 should compare the PC's thickness? I don't think that the PC has much to do with the range actually. I think it's more of the nozzle system here. Does the mk.2 have a smaller nozzle than the mk.1? That should explain the greater range. The best nozzle size could be closer to that of the mk. 2 than the mk. 1 for a CPS 2000-like water gun. For Soakology (or wherever), it might be a good idea to make an article on this, also containing info about the 2000s and 2500s. That would be a popular article if it covers enough. __________________ Note: I am busy so if I am slow to respond, be patient. email: ben at sscentral dot org / Forum rules / Read this page before emailing me. Do not send me a PM or email with a water gun question if someone else could answer the question. Post at the forums. You will get a response from me along with others' views or ideas.

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