Pulse Master Internals

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mysterio
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Pulse Master Internals

Post by mysterio » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:55 am

Has anyone tried replicating the pulse master internals? It uses a combination of spring power and pin firing, something I've been thinking about, until i saw an internal picture. Their design is pretty much perfect. It uses a pin style tank, and then connects to a tube that pumps in water. When enough water is inside, it compresses the back of the chamber and the spring, creating more room. When you pull the pin to fire, the spring pushes out all of the water. I'll try to get an illustration up soon.

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Re: Pulse Master Internals

Post by soakernerd » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:24 am

Air pressure is easier, and can get just as good results.
Pessimist: These blasters hold no water
Optimist: But their small output means they last just as long
Marketing: Huge blasts of water!
user: I shot it at an angle and it went a whole ten feet!

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Re: Pulse Master Internals

Post by mysterio » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:41 am

But its trigger operated! And scaled up, who knows how powerful it might get?

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Re: Pulse Master Internals

Post by C-A_99 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:58 am

Both AP and CPS are superior to the spring system. Spring based PC's put enormous stress in one spot, and it gets worse as the PC size grows. BBT was mostly experimenting with the system, and it only works for the cheap crap triggerless blasters.

Upscaling the system is definitely not feasible for stock blasters, and would be a pain to do for homemades. By this standard, both AP and CPS are capable of much more power.

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Re: Pulse Master Internals

Post by cantab » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:11 am

Springs do well when you want to achieve high pressures and velocities in a small space - for example air guns. But for achieving more modest pressures in larger volumes - as is wanted for water blasters - I think air pressure is better.

Spring-based water blasters are viable, but I think it will be difficult (and more expensive) to make them match the performance of air pressure or elastic pressure blasters.

However, I think there's promise for a compact, powerful blaster making the compromise of short shot time. Consider the size of the Pulse Master's pressure chamber, and imagine pairing it with a similar length reservoir, giving the same power in a package the size of an XP 240. You won't get many shots on the big nozzle, but I still find it a great prospect.
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Re: Pulse Master Internals

Post by soakernerd » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:57 pm

Cantab, isn't that concept just a pulse blaster?
Pessimist: These blasters hold no water
Optimist: But their small output means they last just as long
Marketing: Huge blasts of water!
user: I shot it at an angle and it went a whole ten feet!

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Re: Pulse Master Internals

Post by cantab » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:27 pm

Not really. The Pulse Blaster has a smaller pressure chamber and nozzle, so its power is lower.

The series follows the general principle that most series follow - the bigger the blaster, the more range and output you get. It seems obvious, but actually, in many series much of the space increase is given over to larger reservoirs, and maybe larger pressure chambers, which don't directly affect power. The extra power comes from large-diameter internal piping and valves, with big nozzles, which can quite easily be fitted in a rather smaller blaster.
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Arsenal:
Super Soaker: XP215, 2xXP220, Liquidator, Aquashock Secret Strike M(odded), Arctic Blast M, CPS1200, CPS2100, SC Power Pak, 3l aquapack, 1.5l aquapack
Water Warriors: Jet, Sting Ray M, Shark, Argon M, Tiger Shark, PulseMaster
Others: Waterbolt, The Blaster, Storm 500, Shield Blaster 2000, generic PR gun, generic backpack piston pumper (broken), 3l garden sprayer M, 10l water carrier:

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